topspeedI was talking about Finland’s plans to attack Soviet Union once Barbarossa was under way.
Finland was in for a penny, in for a pound. They didn’t need a Soviet airtrike to assault USSR, just a belief the Germans would roll the Soviets over.
The Finns did have limited goals though, which irritated the Germans to no end.
And had it suited him, Herr Hitler would’ve tried rumbling his Panzers through Sweden and Switzerland.
You don’t see a bigger picture now…Molotov and Ribbentrop made a deal to divide the eastern european countries and half Poland. He ( AH ) was a big hero to many..UK crown prince, Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh…count Eric von Rosen ( of Sweden ) were either nazis or symphatizers. Adolf Hitler wanted Finland to be engulfed by USSR already in 1939..and he was a mad opportunist. Nazis in 1939 let the batch of FIAT G.50s from Italy first to be shippped all the way to Sassnitz..and then returned them back to Italy..so Finns couldn’t have them and USSR could gain easy victory.
And also…any kind of giving back to Stalins demand would have meant becoming a communist state like happened to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
But you left the Stalin part out…for a reason…and I know what it is !
topspeedIn a democracy anyone can start a war without being attacked – look at USA-UK in Iraq in 2003 or Anglo-French attack on Egypt in 1956 or invasion of Grenada etc etc.
The Finns had already started mobilising troops before the Soviets air strikes.
They were aware of German preparations and German aims.
Even if the Soviets did not launch air strikes, the Finns would’ve attacked USSR to regain lost ground as that’s what they were planning to do.
I love European revisionism – when I was in Italy, one of our tour guide was talking about the US liberating Italy. Hang on, weren’t the Eyeties number 2 in the Axis and didn’t the Germans get involved in Greece and North Africa to save Italian buttS?
I suspect the same applies to Finland – you made a bad call in 1941 which resulted in Soviets causing you massive damage in 1944.
You could’ve stayed neutral ala Sweden or Switzerland or stay out of the fighting ala Bulgaria (who only got involved by stabbing the Germans in the back).
You certainly have no idea what kinda terror state USSR was…stay neutral…wake up dude.
I was talking about Hitler and his politics…and you start talking about back stabbers and revisionists.
Ever looked at a map..see where Switzerland and Sweden are ???
Well anyway this is OT.
topspeedFinland openly sided with Germany (as Co-belligerent) in 1941 in the Continuation War in a bid to regain territory lost in 1940.
Finland was preparing military operations before the Soviet bombing.
We all understand this ( since Germany was about to launch Barbarossa operation and Finland had 2000 km border with USSR )…but I still insist we were and still are a democracy…no matter what the soldiers were rehearsing with who.
In a democracy no one can start a war unless being attacked upon. Had soviets not been bombing for a week continuosly the regime could not have given the order to start hostilities..we did not start a war. I am pretty sure some circles did have some optimistic views that Germany may win USSR and we can collect what was stolen in Winterwar ( sorta like justice ).
We had also very few candidates to go-belligerent with after USSR attacked…and before it as well.
Hitler with his politics ( speech ) made us go to war. He was sure USSR would attack ( he counted on it ) and he had easier access to attack for his troops since USSR had to widen the flanks.
topspeedPilot comfort in “small” jet !
This needs a reclined position..and far fewer “gauges” to look onto….something new and modern. Like the mach 4.0 MICA missiles concealed inside.
🙂
topspeedHitler was a different case altogether- he was an opportunist in charge of one of Europe’s powers and not a tinpot dictator of a third world backwater.
Containment generally works for dictators – give them breathing space or crush them with sanctions and they tend to calm down. In this case it seems to be a young dictator flexing his muscles for the first time.
Finland had some co-operation with AHs regime.
First they made a deal with Stalin ( you forgot this gentleman who viciously executed 4-20 million of his own people ) and prohibited us from getting Italian Fiat G.50s here on time when Soviets attacked in 1939. Then when they attacked USSR in 1941 they said they stand in alliance with Finland…which caused immediate attack on our cities from USSR ( we were an independent democracy ). After a weeks bombardment from USSR we had to declare war with USSR and fight with Germany 1941-1944.
I hope young dictator is just flexing too.
topspeeder, did you try to maneuver your model? for going straight and fast it’s a fine shape (the X-47 had a similar one), but once you start trying to turn sharply you’ll have problems. Besides, the wingload we talk about is nowhere near a paper model.
I have a spare Kyosho ducted fan unit…I could build an R/C model of this and provide you the info..interested ?
topspeedIf same dimensions:
38% decrease in weight of the blades would (in theory) increase rotation speed of the turbine (compressor) assembly by 17%. Thrust would increase by same amount (38%) and total power by 62%.
Huge gain.
OR.
It would allow to build engine with (same rotation speed) 38% greater diameter and thrust increase by 90% and total power by 160%. But that would be one big engine.
Is it dangerous to make the blades lighter ?
topspeedI think the F-22, PAKFA, J20 might just have been trumped here given the pictures..
You are correct..the Iranians have no means to build any kind of real stealth fighter..further than this stage…an R/C model and a mock up.
topspeedNot that piece of crap again.
When will they learn to build decent mockups? If you look at their models you see that either the air intakes are placed completely randomly (as in the worst spot possible) or that the nose cone is too small to fit anything useful.
…
The nose might get the Emerson fitted APG-67 ( F-5G ). It is tiny.
topspeedThis has been discussed weeks befor in this forum, see here:
please use the search engine before open a new thread of an old topic!
I used the search engine and F-313 Qaher gave nothing.
Iranians seem to have used the search engine and found the PoB.
topspeedYour aeroplane is the equivalent of the Me163, a flying coffin.
Well..I am still a bit irritated by this remark.
The Gekko flies faster than a Me-163 Komet with just the turbofan…and 3 times faster ( assumably ) than the Komet on rockets.
What makes it a coffin..it has Martin Baker Mk15 fitted in and all ?
Care to specify/elaborate ?
topspeedThe T-50-4 made an impressive flight from Dzhemgi AB all the way to Moscow with two landings/stop. A flight over 7000km.
The T-50-4 will join the other three T-50 prototype there and is reported to start first stage of State Trials in March this year.
Is this amazing…that is 2330 km a leg ?
topspeedIf I may I’d like turn the conversation into the big or not dilemma.
Here is a list of few aeroplanes and I am a bit concerned about the size of the latest so called 5th generation jet planes.
Cri-Cri jet 0.46 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colomban_Cri-cri
Acrostar BD-5J 1.1 kN; http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/q-branch/…nijet.php3
Gloster E.28/39 3.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39
He-178 4.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178
Temco TT Pinto 4.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temco_TT_Pinto
SAAB 210 4.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_210
Eclipse 400 4.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_400
He-162 7.85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_162 ( e-seat )
Fouga Magister 7.84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouga_CM.170_Magister
Eclipse500 8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_500
Handley Page HP.115 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_HP.115
Diamond D-Jet 8.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_D-Jet
Yak-15 8.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-15
T-37 9.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_T-37_Tweet
PZL TS-11 Iskra 9.81 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_TS-11_Iskra
Soko G-2 Galeb 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_G-2_Galeb
Aermacchi MB-326 11.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_MB-326 ( 2 e-seats )
He-280 11.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_280
Citation Mustang 13 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_Mustang
XF-85 Goblin 13.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_XF-85_Goblin
ARES 13.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_ARES ( E-seat )
DH.100 Vampire 14.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire
SAAB 105 15 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_105
Avro 707 16 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_707
Hongdu JL-8 16.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_JL-8
DH.108 Swallow 16.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_DH_108
Aero L-29 Delfin 17.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-29_Delf%C3%ADn
Me-262; 17,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
Arado 234 B-2 17.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234
P-59 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-59_Airacomet
FJ-1 Fury 17.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_FJ-1_Fury
Cessna Citation I 19.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_I
Folland Gnat 20.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folland_Gnat
Helwan HA-300 21.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helwan_HA-300 ( MACH 2.1 with 48 kN using AB designed by Willy Messerschmitt )
Supermarine Attacker 22 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Attacker
BAE_Jet_Provost 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_Jet_Provost
Fiat G.91 22.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.91
Boulton _Paul_P.111 22.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulton_Paul_P.111
Hawker Sea Hawk 23.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Hawk
Canadair CT-114 Tutor 23.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CT-114_Tutor
P-80 24 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-…oting_Star
LearJet24 26.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_24
Alpha Jet 26.4; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault/Dornier_Alpha_Jet
F9F Panther 26.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F9F_Panther
Gloster Meteor 31,2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor
Mig-15 26,5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15
F-86 26,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86_Sabre
SAAB-27 Tunnan 27.5 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
BAE HAWK 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Hawk
F2H Banshee 29 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F2H_Banshee
Dassault Mystere 29.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Myst%C3%A8re
LearJet45 31 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_45
Kawasaki T-4 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_T-4
White Knight 32 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp…ite_Knight
F-84 32.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-…nderstreak
Mig-17 33.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17
T-38 Talon 34 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_T-38_Talon
XB-43 Jetmaster 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-43_Jetmaster
A4D Skyhawk 36 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
F-9 Cougar 38 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-9_Cougar
A4F Skyhawk 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk
LearJet_60 41 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learjet_60
Dassault Super Mystere 44.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Su…st%C3%A8re
F-5 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5
IAR-93 44.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-93
Fairey Delta 44.9 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Delta
Hawker Hunter 45.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter
Grumman F-11 Tiger 46.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-11_Tiger
PZL-230 Scorpion 45.6 kN; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/w…zl-230.htm
Super Enterdard 49.5 kN; http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/super_etendard.pl
YAK-130 50 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130
Il-28 53 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
F7U Cutlass 54 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F7U_Cutlass
M-346 57 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_M-346
Bombardier_300 60.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_300
Bristol 188 62 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_188
Mirage F1 70.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_F1
F-100 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…uper_Sabre
F-7 64.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7_Corsair_II
Chengdu J-7 64.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
Sepecat Jaguar 65 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPECAT_Jaguar
SAAB-32 Lansen 65.3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen
Südaviation Vautour 68.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour
F4D Skyray 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_F4D_Skyray
Mitsubishi F-1 71.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-1
F-20 Tigershark 76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark
F-8 Crusader 80.1 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader
XB-51 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_XB-51
Mig-21 69,6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21
F-104 69 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter
YAK-38 64 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-38
F-102 Delta_Dagger 71 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-102_Delta_Dagger
Nanchang Q-5 73.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang_Q-5
Shenyang J-6/F6 73.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-6
Kfir 79.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir
J-35 78.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_35_Draken
DC-9 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-9
J-37 Viggen 121 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen
Super Caravelle 124.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravelle
A8-Harrier II 105 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV-8B_Harrier_II
Mirage III 44 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_III
Mirage 2000 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000
TA-50 Golden Eagle 78.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle
Jas J-39 Gripen 80 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen
A-10 80.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II
A-6 Intruder 82.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder
F-CK-1 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo
Hongdu L-15 84 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15
JF-17 84.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JF-17_Thunder
HAL Tejas 85 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas
Dassault F7X 85.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Falcon_7X
B-66 Destroyer 90 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_B-66_Destroyer
Backburn Buccaneer 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer
IAI Lavi 91.5 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi
Martin RB-57D Canberra 95 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_RB-57D_Canberra
Avro Vulcan 98 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Vulcan
F-105 Thunderchief 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-…underchief
F-106 Delta_Dart 109 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F-106_Delta_Dart
A-3 Skywarrior 110.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A3D_Skywarrior
MIG-27 112.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-27
White Knight Two 122.76 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Comp…Knight_Two
BAE 146 ( AVRO RJ ) 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_146
YAK-28 Brever 124 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-28
Mitsubishi F-2 125 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2
MIG-23 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23
F-16 127 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…ing_Falcon
J-10 130 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10
Mirage IV 141 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_IV
English Electric Lightning 142,3 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning
Dassault Rafale 151.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale
Gulfstream_650 150.4 kN; http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g650/…ations.htm
F-101 Voodoo 150.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F-101_Voodoo
A-5 Vigilante 152 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…_Vigilante
Panavia Tornado 153.6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado
Sukhoi_Superjet_100 156 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100
F117 Night Hawk 157.4 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117A_Nighthawk
F-18 158 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…-18_Hornet
F-4 Phantom II 158.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…Phantom_II
F111 159.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…1_Aardvark
Mig-29 162.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29
MD-82 164 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-80
Eurofighter Typhoon 178 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
Tupolev Tu-16 186.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-16
Mirage 4000 190 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_4000
JSF F-35 191 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma…ghtning_II
Boeing B-47 Strato Jet 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-47_Stratojet
Airbus 318-100 192 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family
F/F-18 Super Hornet 195.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-…per_Hornet
LA-250 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-250
Myasishchev M-55 196 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-55
TU-128 198 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-28
SU-24 219.6; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24
Mig-25 200 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-2
Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow 209 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow
F-15 220 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_D…F-15_Eagle
F-111 224 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dyn…1_Aardvark
YAK-141 235,4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-141
SU-30 245.2 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
SU-27 245,6 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhoi_Su-27
F-14 247.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat
SU-33 251 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-33
J-11 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11#J-11
SU-34 262 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
Shenyang J-15 270 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15
TSR-2 273.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_TSR-2
B-58 Hustler 277.6 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-58_Hustler
SU-47 284.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-47
A-12 288 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12
SU-37 290 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37
DC-8 298.8 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8
SR-71 302 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird
Convair YB-60 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_YB-60
Mig-31 304 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
B-2 308 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Gr…B-2_Spirit
YF-23 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23
F-22 312 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Ma…-22_Raptor
PAKFA 314 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA
TU22 324 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22
Concorde 338 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde
MIG-39 ( Project 1.44 ) 354 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44
J-20 Chengdu 360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20
Myasishchev M-4 372.8 kN; http://www.airvectors.net/avbison.html
Y20 412 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_Y-20
TU-22M 490.4 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M
DC-10 534 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10
B-1 547.7 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer
B-52 608 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
Sukhoi T-4 628 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4
Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 640 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
C-5 Galaxy 760 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy
XB-70 Valkyrie 768 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ameri…0_Valkyrie
Boeing_747 836 kN; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747
TU-160 980 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160
Airbus A380 1360 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380
An 225 1377 kN; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya
I can fit 4 radar guided AAMs in to a plane that is smaller than a Me-109 in size and a APG/67 radar and a 27 mm cannon. Externally carry same amount at least….and fuel for 2 hours.
Below is the last comparison of the day J-10 ( supacruise to mach 1.2 ) !
topspeedYour aeroplane is the equivalent of the Me163, a flying coffin.
You are right RpR there is a room to develope this.
But there is no better jet concept than a delta wing; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FMtig6xmuI ( first part ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvz0a-sEVWo )
Also this features the thinnest wing profile ever in an aeroplane ( percentage vise ).
So I doubt that if your misconception comes from J-35 then it is utterly wrong. This also cannot go into superstall.
There is a jet engine suited for this used in Hongdu L-15…also a Honeywell F125IM might come close.
This is about the only ( western ) engine that might do for this..used in F-CK-1; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_F-CK-1_Ching-kuo in proportion it would have similar rating as in J-20.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell/ITEC_F124
Mk 821 might cut it too; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Turbomeca_Adour, but it is heavy.
But for fast interception the rocket powered version is the cheapest to operate ( with supercruise “homing engine” ). Especially when this is also stealthy the way no aeroplane has ever been hitherto ( 1/5th to 1/6th frontal area of F-22/J-20 ).
topspeeder, did you try to maneuver your model? for going straight and fast it’s a fine shape (the X-47 had a similar one), but once you start trying to turn sharply you’ll have problems. Besides, the wingload we talk about is nowhere near a paper model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B
This has nothing to do with VELOCIRAPTOR..don’t even have rudders.
How sharply did you think you can turn a different kinda flyer ?
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