I have compared few major airliners for FUN PURPOSE
Very well !
What is a Boeing 748 ?
Gerard..thanks for the pics.
This cut-away-model was used by Beech in a court of law to prove that the Bonanza was properly build and save. Beech won the trial !!!!
Nevertheless inflight brake up is a very serious issue.
Nothing there that hasn’t been widely known in the aviation community for decades. Whilst beefing up the v-tail structure was certainly eminently sensible, as it says most of the in-flight break-ups were due to continued VFR flight into IMC, flying through thunderstorms and airframe icing, conditions that have led to plenty of other types exceeding their VNE/loss of control and breaking up in flight.
Ok !
This is what wiki has to say about it;
In the late 1980s, repeated V-tail structural failures prompted the United States Department of Transportation and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to conduct extensive wind tunnel and flight tests, which proved that the V-tail did not meet type certification standards under certain conditions; the effort culminated with the issuance of an airworthiness directive to strengthen the tail, which significantly reduced the incidence of in-flight breakups. Despite this, Beech has long contended that most V-tail failures involve operations well beyond the aircraft’s intended flight envelope.[18][19] Subsequent analysis of National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) accident records between 1962 and 2007 revealed an average of three V-tail structural failures per year, while the conventional-tailed Bonanza 33 and 36 suffered only eleven such failures during the same time period. Most V-tail failures involved flight under visual flight rules into instrument meteorological conditions, flight into thunderstorms, or airframe icing.[20] In addition to the structural issues, the Bonanza 35 has a relatively narrow center of gravity envelope, and the tail design is intolerant of imbalances caused by damage, improper maintenance, or repainting; such imbalances may induce dangerous aeroelastic flutter.[18] Despite these issues, many Bonanza 35 owners insist that the aircraft is reasonably safe, and its reputation has lessened acquisition costs for budget-conscious buyers.[20]
I am after a extremely efficient design that is also safe. I figure V-tail is underestimated.
Wiki reveals that Beechcraft 35 Bonanza’s structure was not sound.
I’m not a fan of threads without any description of content.
This isn’t an old time telegram, you are not charged by the word or limited in characters, so be generous with your information.If you think you are doing the historic aviation community a favour by posting it, At least have the courtesy to say what it is and why you are sharing it with us.
Ok ….I suppose that would not hurt the thread even a bit !
I did not claim there was anything new..many just aren’t familiar with almost intact FW-190s that are being found there.
As has been posted on here many times – a V Tail on a military jet is a completely different kettle of fish than having a v tail on a light aircraft.
Military jets have ultra expensive Active/Fly By Wire (FBW) controls which cope with any stability/control requirements – indeed modern military jets are designed to be unstable so that they are agile 🙂
There is also a pilot in the cockpit which should be able to cope with different kinda situations even if the aeroplane is more efficient and cleaner. The Jack Northrop YB-49 is a good example of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dfj3SeMI-s
Best document of it ever; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkhziQF0AiI
this is a slide show and a few vid clips of known wreck sites a few lake recoveries and mostly soviet era abandoned hardware, some dreadful arty ?shaky cam plus really annoying adverts.No new content and no info on subjects.
There was lot more than that.
But there are a lot of ACs in the forests and lakes of Russia.
YF-23 is an excellent example of a well managed V-tail; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_-OqCJ34WE
The V tail on the Messerschmitt seems to show a quite considerable bend toward the right. Presumably an attempt to minimise torque effect on take-off.
As was the rudder in 109.
Some music perhaps; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAaxkAgVkHQ
By Vera Lynn.
Now while I really am not an expert or even particularly knowledgeable on the subject of aerodynamics I suspect that where the V tail has been successfully applied it is part of a design package that includes integrating the design of the whole airframe including fuselage and wings so that the V tail itself is an effective component of the overall aerodynamic package. The Fouga Magister and the F117 exhibit that integration of features. However in the case of the Bonanza, the Polish design and the earlier mentioned Me 109 experiment the V tail appears to be a modification restricted only to the rear fuselage and even then more as tinkering with a design than seeking a fully integrated design.
Right you see seldom jet trainers with under 8 kN of thrust !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouga_CM.170_Magister
PZL TS-11 Iskra with same performance had 20% more thrust.
Nobody’s mentioned the F-117 yet, have they? Presumably the it’s V-tail confers stealthiness?
How about Fouga Magister ?
3mph is tiny, the same as a retractable step and this is on a really draggy airframe.
The vee tail is the only one of the listed changes which if it’s designed incorrectly will lead to stability and control issues which will kill those on the plane.
Have you ever seen or worked on vee tail control mixer? It combines elevator, elevator trim, rudder and rudder trim in a single lethal mechanism. Character building to sign off for flight and most likely uncertifiable with respect to single point failure requirement.
Consider that all current designers of racing sailplanes will sell their soul to the devil for that last little bit of aero performance, there’s not a single vee tail available on modern gliders (or for the last 50 years )tells you something quite profound about a vee tail performance enhancing ability.
Please don’t claim you know more about this than the likes of Michael Greiner, Professor Liam Boerman, Kluas Holighaus, Gerhard Waibel etal
I designed such a system…it is challenging.