Perhaps they’re too busy trolling (us Brits)………..
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1875393&postcount=22
……to be bothered.
Baz

You’ve not had much experience with the Indian posters on aerospace forums then I presume? Most can be summarised as chip + shoulder.

Maybe I should start another thread where I ask all the trolls to post where they are from. 🙂

They won’t do that. Most of them live in the west, but like to make out they are from [insert place in Middle/East Asia].

The air defence is fine, but they’d lose no capability by getting rid of the Starstreak HVM from the ground. The Typhoons are a much more effective, and they can get up close and see what is really going on. Greece and China used medium range SAMs (e.g Patriot missiles), which are two orders of magnitude above Starstreak missiles!

Starstreak

Patriot

that would be these then ??? i don’t believe for one second that a force protecting major strategic airports would be retarded enough to deactivate a weapons full ability !! but then there’s the explanation they think joe public is ignorant enough to take in !!

http://youtu.be/963-B2Al428

It’s not retarded to deactive the full auto, its common sense. Police officers with full auto in a civilian environment risks more civilian casualties and encourages spray and pray rather than point and shoot! It’s not as if the small number of police there are actually intended to defeat a serious attack by armed gunmen, more to provide a presence to deal with armed individuals and any extremely dangerous criminals.

I’ve always been of the opinion that they keep us frightened enough not to complain about funding of security services. Not necessarily the armed forces but the rest of the stuff.

I doubt it. Just look at how much money they give to the EU, and such funding is extremely unpopular.

During a war, around a military base or an important target it seems to be fairly normal to post guards or sentries to ensure that it was defended in the event of an attack. That would be correct, yes?

Actually the UK doesn’t really use SAMs for base defence with the notable exception of the Falklands. The SAMs used are for supporting deployed forces!

I think we need to consider what we are actually trying to do with the economic investment. Essentially we want to create jobs and economic activity, but more than that we want something that will eventually pay back to the government through taxation its investment, and produce a positive balance. Now whilst investment in the NHS will cut unemployment, it will never repay the investment, it’s pure debt, so you’re just patching the economy now, using the credit card of the people in the future.

I don’t really want to turn this into a party-political discussion; it’s pointless.

I do agree that the UK did allow itself to get into a very dangerous position, with the amount of borrowing, as did many other countries; we live in a global economy and as a consequence governments (and so voters) have far less influence on their economy that they once did.

I really don’t want to make this a discussion about the EU; we’re in and I think we’re staying in. Anybody who thinks that all the problems of the UK can be solved by leaving the EU is living in a dreamland; much of the recent prosperity of the UK happened because we’re in the EU.

Ignoring the debt issue makes the discussion pointless. If you work on the assumption that the money is infinite and available without consequence then sure, the Labour or Lib Dems will spend the most and would make the most use of the infinite supply.

As to the EU, it was suggested by another poster that the Conservatives had lost voters, and I explained why. The implication it seemed was that they’d lost votes because they were doing a bad job, when clearly there are other factors in that, and if they’d been objective in their statement then I wouldn’t have needed to mention anything.

It seems from your response that you’d quite like me to just not mention anything that would add any realistic perspective to the other posters claims. I also like how you said you don’t want a debate about the EU and then started a debate on the EU… rather hypocritical is it not? Seems a bit do as I say, not as I do, to me. Remember, my post contained no opinions on the EU itself at all. My view is that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that we should just see each other at the ballot box and decide it there, like decent, civilised, democratic citizens. Problem is, some people think they are superior to me, like I’m a second class citizen, and so their opinion matters more than mine, and so they oppose a demcratic solution. Obviously I’m sure you would never oppose democracy, would you? 🙂

Top Tories don’t know and quite frankly don’t care about ordinary people as long as the top companies, the banks and financial institutions, are showing profit then everything in the garden is lovely. It matters not that these companies export jobs, buy goods in from anywhere, move money out of the country to avoid taxes etc.

So you’d like to bash the bankers and make them move abroad, otherwise known as exporting jobs? You can’t have your cake and eat it 😉

These are air defence missiles, for shooting down aircraft. This is all a bit “for show” though really as the systems are not going to be effective for this type of role and they were never intended for it. These systems are not designed to “stop” a target, just to make it eventually crash, so it cannot continue it’s mission, typically low flying helicopters and aircraft attacking tanks or troops. It does this by essentially busting the engines. Terrorist airliners will just lose an engine or two against a standard SAM system, but it will probably still be glidable into the stadium. The missile system in question is a Starstreak HVM system, that’s basically a modern Stinger type system. The system has 0.9kg of explosives, thats three small explosive darts. See below for the LOL comparison between warhead and target. Fighter aircraft can get the job done, they can engage the airliner much further out. If they want a SAM system, park a Type 45 destroyer on the Thames. One thing we have to remember is that if it’s “shot down”, it will come down to Earth again. Unlike the movies where it turns to harmless dust and flames, the airliner would either land on homes/stadium, or hundreds of lumps of metal which made up an airliner but are now in freefall would land on homes/stadium!

The missile

An airliner

Whilst all eyes are looking skywards for a “Possible” air attack, I wonder if as much thought has been put into all the variables of a ground or even waterborn attack.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Oh I’m sure they’ve written many reports on the subject at the taxpayers expense. Then they’ll send armed police out to look tough in front of unarmed innocent citizens, while telling all how they are on super important anti-terror duty. Of course if some actual, half capable terrorists came along, they’d just shoot the police from a distance or in plain clothes with a silenced pistol… the cops would never have a chance.

Let us not forget the essential arithmetic of the UK PLC. The UK spends more money than it earns and so is forced to borrow money to meet the needs of its population; borrowing money is expensive, I’ve seen figures that quote interest of nearly £50billion for 2011! Have a think about who that money is borrowed from and who stands to profit from it.
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Or you can do what Labour do. Spend vast amounts on credit when you are in power, employing lots of bureaucrats who are likely to vote for you to secure their own jobs. Then when the country is in dire trouble and the population votes in the Conservatives hoping for a solution just keep blaming the Conservatives as if the cuts have nothing to do with Labour’s actions.

Many Labour voters seem to be under the impression that they can just fund all their wish list from people richer than themselves, but seem to fail to realise that for richer people moving money becomes a worthwhile investment and so they just reduce their liability. They don’t seem to realise that highly skilled, highly paid workers are in high demand the world over, and if we offer them a bad deal then others will welcome them with open arms. We’ve seen this before… well I didn’t, because I wasn’t born then, but the point still stands 😉

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Immediately next to it is ” Tories at lowest ebb for 8 years”
Labour 40%, Conservatives 29%, Lib Dems 11%, UKIP 10%

Especially interesting since I consider the current opposition to be the weakest for 30 years.

Conservatives are killing their own vote through their position on the EU. Dave Cameron gave a cast iron guarantee on a referendum, then renaged on his promise.

Seems like a excellent post CD……..

Could I therefore ask you to answer your own question?
Borrow, earn (or tax) or cut.

If you do cut, what do we cut.

Government office workers.

Well I wouldn’t vote Labour that’s for sure. They basically took over a fixed country from the Conservatives, and then ruined it again. Voting Labour would be the definition of insanity, repeating the experiment and expecting different results.

You say “welfare budget” but I believe that is the budget for social security ect, not the NHS. The NHS budget is ring fenced and I’ve not heard anything suggesting this has changed. As for NHS privatisation, have GPs, Surgeons and Consulants not been private working for quite a long time? The old waiting lists scam for example, same work, same location, but if you are private the Consultant/Surgeon can sell you a space which is of course an incentive to keep the lists long!

As to changing the voting system, it’s not really anything to do with what is “fair” and everything to do with which parties are favoured by which system. For example, they’d all like to keep the BNP out, so they won’t opt for PR. AV gives the Lib Dems more seats in a PR style, but denying that advantage to the BNP. Labour and Conservatives are best served by FPTP. I voted against AV (and would have voted against any changes) as I don’t believe in changing the voting system just because some party leader decides a change would suit him better, which is what that referendum was. I was also none too impressed that I was allowed to have a say on the pretty insignificant Cleggy voting system, but I’m still being denied a referendum on the EU. Of course I know why I’m being denied the referendum, because the politicians (most of them) already know the answer, and don’t agree with it.

NHS changes? I’d make Surgeons/Doctors/Consultants choose between private or NHS work. All queue jumping through financial methods banned. I’d set up a small group, composed of a mix of groups like the taxpayers alliance, to identify bureaucratic jobs that we can do without, and have them fired. I’d also have all government jobs (inc role, salary etc) put on the internet for public review. I’ve no issue with public services, but we need the staff to be working to deliver the service, not shuffle paper. There is also, IMO, too much reliance on the services directly. Training should be available to the public (voluntarily) to supplement them in a limited role in the worst situations. Since training for most of the sectors would only be limited and the equipment quite basic, the cap on numbers should be quite high. Taking the TA as an example, a cap of ~100k soldiers would be more reasonable, perhaps also introduce an opt-in system for “peacetime” deployment to war overseas. All these disaster movies could probably give the government some tips on preparing for things, for example, ensuring that if there is no mains electricity then sewage pumps and water distribution would continue to work. Such measures don’t need to be expensive, and really should be common sense.

As for photographs, people should be allowed to photograph what they like. If you don’t want it photographed, hide it 🙂 Then again even the freedom of speech is being take away with the “hate crime”, “political correctness”, and RIPA!

The spirit of the Games has been totally trampled to death by big business. I can’t say I’ve noticed when it was held elsewhere, but for me it’s spoiled before it even starts…

Indeed. When we first entered a bid I thought it was a good thing. All this talk of Olympic lanes, the shocking ticket allocations (10% to the superior elites) and general wastage on unnecessary stuff has made me have no Olympic spirit at all! Admittedly I was never massively in favour anyway.

Opt for F35B , keep them both ( No need to ponce around with cats & traps now ) . Stick 12 of each aforementioned jet thingys on them . Then tootle around the world showing the flag , & sending the modern day equivilent of the ” Gun Boat ” to make some nation, with only a thin veneer of civilisation , run . And its hows your father!!! Business as usual Your Majesty ??

Budgets don’t work like that. If you don’t spend the full budget, it’s not like your salary where you keep the difference, what happens is the money is reallocated to something else like foreign aid to help old Cleggy in the polls!