pppIsn’t this the guy that people asked for a petition to be signed for, and in the petition they waved the race card around and similar crap? Also I believe the reason for the denial of citizenship was as he had a military conviction for fighting, supposedly involving a knife?
Based on use of the race card I won’t be signing.
pppIsn’t this the guy that people asked for a petition to be signed for, and in the petition they waved the race card around and similar crap? Also I believe the reason for the denial of citizenship was as he had a military conviction for fighting, supposedly involving a knife?
Based on use of the race card I won’t be signing.
ppp@Mr Creosote
I come from the moon, I came here with my hand built flying saucer, something I doubt you have achieved yourself. On the moon we also have 100% gun ownership and zero gun deaths in the past 1800 years, so you’d be wise to listen to my advice 😎
As to my comment on killings of a few people by the odd crazy gunman, they are irrelevant because policies for the majority should not based on rare out of the ordinary situations involving crazy people. Any argument suggesting that we should consider such incidents in our gun laws has ZERO credibilty unless that is applied across the set of all policies, and is not just specific to guns. Thats means you must argue equally to consider the person doing something stupid with a plane, car, truck, 2+ story building, baseball/cricket bat, knife, tools, power tools etc.
ppp@Mr Creosote
I come from the moon, I came here with my hand built flying saucer, something I doubt you have achieved yourself. On the moon we also have 100% gun ownership and zero gun deaths in the past 1800 years, so you’d be wise to listen to my advice 😎
As to my comment on killings of a few people by the odd crazy gunman, they are irrelevant because policies for the majority should not based on rare out of the ordinary situations involving crazy people. Any argument suggesting that we should consider such incidents in our gun laws has ZERO credibilty unless that is applied across the set of all policies, and is not just specific to guns. Thats means you must argue equally to consider the person doing something stupid with a plane, car, truck, 2+ story building, baseball/cricket bat, knife, tools, power tools etc.
pppThe US living standard stats are artificially high due to the Dollar.
On a related note Dave Cameron and the other UK leaders still have their heads deep in the sand on the topic of Eurozone vs Commonwealth growth rates, and the so the UK economy continues to suffer from being in the useless European customs union with it’s excessive regulation and poor growth.
On a related track, seems we here is Aus overtook the US in terms of house/apartment sizes a few years ago (2009):
“We are bigger than the US for the first time. Our newly built homes are 7 per cent bigger than those in the US, double the size of those in Europe, and triple the size of those in the UK.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-11-30/australians-live-in-worlds-biggest-houses/1162630
Making a house larger in the UK is much more expensive due to planning restrictions and the ridiculous price of land.
pppThe US living standard stats are artificially high due to the Dollar.
On a related note Dave Cameron and the other UK leaders still have their heads deep in the sand on the topic of Eurozone vs Commonwealth growth rates, and the so the UK economy continues to suffer from being in the useless European customs union with it’s excessive regulation and poor growth.
On a related track, seems we here is Aus overtook the US in terms of house/apartment sizes a few years ago (2009):
“We are bigger than the US for the first time. Our newly built homes are 7 per cent bigger than those in the US, double the size of those in Europe, and triple the size of those in the UK.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-11-30/australians-live-in-worlds-biggest-houses/1162630
Making a house larger in the UK is much more expensive due to planning restrictions and the ridiculous price of land.
ppp@Creaking Door
What I’m saying is in the context of the UK, the ban on semi-auto rifles was purely reactionary and has no real effect on gun deaths, whilst at the same time punishing sportsmen. The same thing is true with the pistol ban. The odd massacre here or there is irrelevant, they are one off situations that involve crazy people and are not something policy should be based around. Guns have a practical purpose, more of a purpose than baseball bats, cricket bats, tennis rackets etc. Also, why not ban the use of metalic cutlery in restautants? Plastic should be fine. Nobody needs glassware in their homes, we could ban it and say plastic only. We could also restrict ownership of tools to qualified tradesmen to reduce burglary and use of them as weapons. You don’t support these things because you don’t have a prejudice against them like you do with guns.
ppp@Creaking Door
What I’m saying is in the context of the UK, the ban on semi-auto rifles was purely reactionary and has no real effect on gun deaths, whilst at the same time punishing sportsmen. The same thing is true with the pistol ban. The odd massacre here or there is irrelevant, they are one off situations that involve crazy people and are not something policy should be based around. Guns have a practical purpose, more of a purpose than baseball bats, cricket bats, tennis rackets etc. Also, why not ban the use of metalic cutlery in restautants? Plastic should be fine. Nobody needs glassware in their homes, we could ban it and say plastic only. We could also restrict ownership of tools to qualified tradesmen to reduce burglary and use of them as weapons. You don’t support these things because you don’t have a prejudice against them like you do with guns.
ppp@Distiller
Indeed. People often quote the number of people killed by firearms in the US as a reason why guns should be banned, but it’s a false comparison as the UK owner would require a licence. This would be like comparing a country where the commercial airline pilots needed no licence and their resulting airline fatality rate to the UK’s, in short it would be a nonsense! The more reasonable comparison would be number of American CCP citizens using their firearms to commit rubberies or murders, but even this wouldn’t be incorrect as people in the UK people would not be allowed to carry. I think CCP would probably be worse for the UK stats as it would place guns in people hands in heated situations (e.g road rage) where previously a gun would not have been. In the US the massive armed gang problems mean that CCPs benefits massively outweigh this and result in a net positive effect. The UK deaths due to assault in 2009 was 319 in 2010, 318 in 2009, 388 in 2008! In terms of gun deaths there were 51 in 2011.
@Creaking Door
It’s not the state’s job to ban things to protect children from their negligent parents leaving firearms laying around. Of course if you wish to use the “think of the children” line of reason, then you should also push for the prohibition of keeping children in homes which have other hazards to them such as stairs, tables, electricity, gas, open fires etc. People committing suicide with a gun, would if in a country with guns banned, just use another method. I’ll refer you to my death stats posted above, showing the 3,377 suicides and 2,011 hangings none of which firearms restrictions prevented.
ppp@Distiller
Indeed. People often quote the number of people killed by firearms in the US as a reason why guns should be banned, but it’s a false comparison as the UK owner would require a licence. This would be like comparing a country where the commercial airline pilots needed no licence and their resulting airline fatality rate to the UK’s, in short it would be a nonsense! The more reasonable comparison would be number of American CCP citizens using their firearms to commit rubberies or murders, but even this wouldn’t be incorrect as people in the UK people would not be allowed to carry. I think CCP would probably be worse for the UK stats as it would place guns in people hands in heated situations (e.g road rage) where previously a gun would not have been. In the US the massive armed gang problems mean that CCPs benefits massively outweigh this and result in a net positive effect. The UK deaths due to assault in 2009 was 319 in 2010, 318 in 2009, 388 in 2008! In terms of gun deaths there were 51 in 2011.
@Creaking Door
It’s not the state’s job to ban things to protect children from their negligent parents leaving firearms laying around. Of course if you wish to use the “think of the children” line of reason, then you should also push for the prohibition of keeping children in homes which have other hazards to them such as stairs, tables, electricity, gas, open fires etc. People committing suicide with a gun, would if in a country with guns banned, just use another method. I’ll refer you to my death stats posted above, showing the 3,377 suicides and 2,011 hangings none of which firearms restrictions prevented.
pppCrap, utter crap.
What about in reducing gun deaths?
Licenced gun owners don’t generally commit armed robberies, it’s as simple as that. I wonder how many members of the local firearms club use their guns to kill people or rob people? Approximately zero I’d say. Licencing works. Bans do not. Crazy people using guns are merely using them as the weapon of opportunity, you can ban the gun then they use a knife/car/petrol bomb/gas cylinder/homemade explosive/truck/train/plane or whatever instead… you going to ban those too? Ok so you’ve banned them, and the guy uses an axe instead! The statistics make the case. Disregard the statistics and all your argument will consist of is a prejudiced view, which is worth ~nothing.
pppCrap, utter crap.
What about in reducing gun deaths?
Licenced gun owners don’t generally commit armed robberies, it’s as simple as that. I wonder how many members of the local firearms club use their guns to kill people or rob people? Approximately zero I’d say. Licencing works. Bans do not. Crazy people using guns are merely using them as the weapon of opportunity, you can ban the gun then they use a knife/car/petrol bomb/gas cylinder/homemade explosive/truck/train/plane or whatever instead… you going to ban those too? Ok so you’ve banned them, and the guy uses an axe instead! The statistics make the case. Disregard the statistics and all your argument will consist of is a prejudiced view, which is worth ~nothing.
pppBaning guns makes no sense in the context of reducing gun crime. How many criminals handed in their guns in the pistol ban? All together I’d say none. The semi-auto rifle ban made no sense, you can’t even conceal such a gun as you can with a pistol. Preventing people carrying weapons on a daily basis does make sense as it reduces the chance of someone having a weapon in a heated argument and making a bad choice, but other than that these restrictions have no public safety value. All we’ve done is punish law abiding members of the public for following the law.
If the police/govt are genuinely interested in reducing deaths then their actions would reflect the statistics, they don’t. Their actions reflect what they would like to do anyway. Ban guns, make it harder to own motorcycles, give out fines (stealth taxes) to good citizens etc. Number of people killed by shootings… uhh not even on the chart.
Total deaths: 493,242
Circulatory: 158,084
Cancer: 141,446
Respiratory: 67,276
You’re about as likely to die in a transport accident if you are a car and motorbike user as you are to die from a skin disease, or from hanging. Ban rope? :rolleyes:
pppBaning guns makes no sense in the context of reducing gun crime. How many criminals handed in their guns in the pistol ban? All together I’d say none. The semi-auto rifle ban made no sense, you can’t even conceal such a gun as you can with a pistol. Preventing people carrying weapons on a daily basis does make sense as it reduces the chance of someone having a weapon in a heated argument and making a bad choice, but other than that these restrictions have no public safety value. All we’ve done is punish law abiding members of the public for following the law.
If the police/govt are genuinely interested in reducing deaths then their actions would reflect the statistics, they don’t. Their actions reflect what they would like to do anyway. Ban guns, make it harder to own motorcycles, give out fines (stealth taxes) to good citizens etc. Number of people killed by shootings… uhh not even on the chart.
Total deaths: 493,242
Circulatory: 158,084
Cancer: 141,446
Respiratory: 67,276
You’re about as likely to die in a transport accident if you are a car and motorbike user as you are to die from a skin disease, or from hanging. Ban rope? :rolleyes:
ppp@Garyw
Those who care about diversity and other liberal policies are more likely to be vocal about the issue. Those who feel such policies are not necessary are unlikely to be annoyed enough to actually make a vocal opinion on the matter. It’s not like the European Union issue for example, where there are strong and vocal opinions on both sides, with strong representation from each.
I’m not talking about individual police officers, I am talking about policies.
As for records, leave the officer’s on for 10 years then. Someone can do the same thing with a complaint about a normal citizen, so I don’t see why the police should get special protection from false accusations.
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