Does the RAFM in reality need to preserve a civil Britannia when there is a perfectly good example at Duxford which will have a long term future in AirSpace. Coupled with that Roger Hargreaves and co are working extremely hard at keeping the Kemble ex RAF example in good shape. The Cosford machine hasn’t got a long term future if she doesn’t go inside soon. Certainly the stbd main oleo has a serious crack of the nature that saw the Comet 2 at Duxford scrapped.
David
Shame on you for that comment. Please remember that only 3 complete Brit’s remain worldwide and for the moment, all of them are outside. In terms of the Britannia historical aspect, G-AOVF at Cosford is both valuable and worth protecting. Yes she’s suffered from not much maintenance and 20 years of sitting outside but she’s not in as bad a condition as you think she is, I know, I’ve surveyed her with the museum on many occasions – including recently.
Irrespective of the fact she never flew with the RAF, Cosford are very happy to have a Britannia and there’s talk of her being repainted into RAF colours to honour the only RAF Brit lost in service (XL638 at Kormaksar). The crack in the stbd gear is not serious for a static displayed aircraft and this occurred when she was turned round 90 degrees in the gale force winds of 1987. Roger has offered Cosford G-ANCF’s stbd gear to help her be moved again.
On that subject, I’d like to point out that Roger has no direct connection with XM496 at Kemble. She is looked after by us at the Bristol Britannia XM496 Prerservation Society. More info here – http://www.xm496.com
Belfast???
I’ve not seen any mention of the Belfast yet. Assuming it’s still going inside, can anyone confirm if it looks to be moving anytime soon?
I guess being the largest exhibit, it’ll be the last to go in? And what about the Hastings, is that going in also?
Does a anyone have a list of the total number and types of exhibits?
just enjoy the sound of that Centaurus! None of that American junk bolted to the front! 😀
Here, here…!!! Those Yanks really know how to ruin a perfect airplane!
Bye bye 707
Say your goodbyes to the 707, the van marked ASI in the photos is from ‘Air Salvage International’ and ASI are experts in scrapping aircraft. They travel all over the world and normally are the guys that cut up airliners after a one way flight to Kemble.
At least there’s no fences aound the VC-10 yet, but it doesn’t look good does it.
I’m can’t beleive the 707 is being cut up because I think this is one of only 2 Rolls-Royce Conway powered 707’s in existance so from that point of view it does have a connection with UK aviation heritage.
Anyway, wonder which one’s next? I hope someone can post photos of the progress…sat here in Taiwan I can only watch with sadness… 🙁
Owww shame – bit of a landmark at Manchester. Wonder if the fire dept. will get a new airframe.
CONCORDE!!! 😀 😀 😀 Ok, ok, sorry just couldn’t resist that! 😉
MrB.175 and Nick B, Any photo’s would be nice to see.
Enjoy!!! At Lossie in August 1982.
I think a Group is trying to bring it back for the Bristol Aero Collection, either to Kemble or Filton. Perhaps someone can clarify that?
Albert is indeed correct, there is a plan to bring this Biffo back to the UK but like anything, $$$ are the issue at the moment.
FiltonFlyer – anything else you can add at this time?
Now lying outside the Devonair hangar, cluttering the place up. Very unsightly. How much did it cost to transport that thing about half a mile?? Makes me wonder why the cash that must have been spent on transportation costs could have been better used restoring the complete example that flew in to Kemble, and getting her back to taxying condition…
Tin hat on…
Tin hat on indeed Sir! It was dissapointing to read your comments above as clearly you have no understanding of the situation. To clarify this see my note below:
The costs of moving (and more importantly storing) a dismantled Britannia run into the thousands so unless a permanent home can be found, there was really no point in moving her to yet another storage location. Kemble is owned by a number of individuals and when the lease for the old BAC hanger ran out (includes the land next to the hangar where G-ANCF had been placed) the owners wanted the site clear. So the BAPT had no choice but to move her somewhere. As no permanent home has been found, the friendly and supportive team at Devonair offered her a resting place FOC. Therefore she was moved the short distance across the airfield, and here she’ll stay for the immediate future.
Update
Just to make you aware, G-ANCF has a new temporary home, outside the Devonair complex at Kemble.
She is no longer part of the Bristol Aero Collection and the BAPT are still working on finding her a permanent home. The BAPT are in negotiation with a number of locations/museums and it’s hoped that she’ll be moved to one of these within the next few months.
There is always Lightning F6 XR763 though which did manage to shoot itself down. 😮
DGH, I don’t remember this one, have you got any more info?
Thanks guys. For some reason the thread search didn’t work for me!???
Anyway, it would be nice to see some new photos here if anyone’s got any? In actual fact, does anyone have any movie footage of her in action?
My thoughts
Regardless of the legalites, this is a very grey area and one that I’m well used to as the majority of my collection was not taken by me! (I’m talking slides).
Besides the obvious issue of good manners in asking the photographer first before using any image, in my case I don’t know who the photograher was for many of my slides so I get around it by adding their from ‘my collection’ which is acceptable by law as this statement covers the fact that I’m not claiming to have taken them and I don’t know who did.
There are actually 2 issues here as the use of images for financial gain without consent aside, a lot of people in the hobby are just as concerned about people posting or uploading photos that they claim to be taken by themselves. The comment above re adding your name to the photograph via a Photoshop layer is the only real way you can get around it when posting images to the web.
As to the legalities, it’s a minefield. When talking about this subject to publishers, one question that often is difficult to answer is – if you went to court, how can you prove the person whose used your photos was not standing right next to you and took the same photograph at the same time with the same camera? Clearly it can be done, but for small time claims associated with aviation books and not big corporate advertising, the benefits would outweight the financial cost of proving it.
Best thing really is to contact the author/publishing company, explain your concern and hope for apology/free book/small payment etc.
That said though, the auther could still come back and say at no time did your website tell me the images were copyrighted and I couldn’t use them – like I said it’s a minefield!
Let us know what happens…
and here’s one from Taiwan!
Shot just a couple of weeks ago… 🙂
Here’s some from Korea
Couldn’t help the wide angle on the first shot as it was the only way I could shoot her side! 😉
Sorry to jump in on this thread rather late but I came across this photo of Dakota KN452 taken around 1966 at RAF Khormaksar, Aden by my father. I noticed while search for some history of this plane that there are already pictures of this particular plane on this thread.
That’s interesting, I just looked through my slides and found I’ve also got a shot of KN452 taken at Khormaksar, although mine was taken in May 1967 by a dear departed work colleague.
Also found a nice shot of ZA947 at Waddington in September 1985 when she still wore her ‘rasberry ripple’ colour scheme.
Have attached both for interest…