well Arshad I dont need to. ask the liaison committee folks at dalbandin, the guys with the PALs. you have been allowed like all loyal pets to retain some “honour & dignity” with possession of the devices but the PALs are firmly in Unkils hands 😀
and I see you didnt deny the second part – i.e FBI is effectively running the pakistan police now 😀
India worry ? let India sit with feet on table and let unkil deal with his self-created s*** :diablo:
indian proj is to make a large 100km range missile with warhead and mate with a indo-israeli radar and C3I system “swordfish” (maybe has inputs from citron tree tech).
first test of the missile is slated end of CY05 so any product is 10 yrs off.
I suppose limited nos of pac-3 could provide some defence to cities but dont think thats necessary at this stage because US is firmly in control of Paks nuclear and missile assets for their own reasons. and US is unlikely to leave pakistan anytime soon – I keep reading press reports that immigration system , police , DEA have all been networked to FBI and CIA systems offshore to permit very intrusive control of the pak “system”.
the Jiangwei’s are very limited ships with poor anti-air and anti-sub defences. they shouldn’t be counted in list of powerful principal combatants.
superb pix of Iaf Midas landing in Istres (france)
http://scramble.ykoon.nl/viewtopic.php?t=14591
the last link has a map, can someone explain the dimension of exercise area and
how they run A2A missions within confined areas ?
how good is the Meroka ? photo shows a radar and optical device
Came from one of the premier F-15E squadrons. must be a real jock.
the ELta signboard for El-2052 was saying MKI, Mig29, Tejas ….
its coming to india – sooner or later.
well if the Generals and other tinhorn types cared for all the good stuff you mentioned they’d get back in their barracks and leave the business of Govt to elected leaders accountable to the people in every election. pakistan army for example is accountable to none – they own the country 🙂
these generals and unelected regimes like the CCP in china create problems for neighbours like india who are forced to buildup for self-protection.
the US right now is the patron saint of mostly all these tinhorn regimes in central america, middle east and pakistan :diablo: but US domestic voters dont care 😀
from readings on the net, in late 1980s US found out about the German Lampyridae project and soon was sniffing around and expressing displeasure at this. A little later the project got cancelled. would be interesting to know if german politicians caved in and nuked it in exchange for other favours?
UK is always better off collaborating with europe on arms stuff because it is automatically a senior partner and peer of france and germany in capability and economy.
the 2600:150 US:UK buy ratio tells its own tale.
Kohler has just been blunt about the reality which people try to avert their eyes from – the US doesnt treat anyone as a equal, it doesnt need to.
the 6th and last of the Godavari-brahmaputra line is finally complete. She is perhaps the
last IN warship with steam plant , all the rest have gas turbines-diesels now.
per Harry, the Kashins and this class each have 24 cells of Barak.
New missile frigate to bolster Navy’s strength
By Rajat Pandit/TNN
New Delhi: The Navy is now all set to add more punch to its “blue-water’’ capabilities by inducting a spanking new guided missile frigate, INS Beas, armed with a lethal mix of foreign and indigenous weapon and sensor systems.
The 3,600-tonne INS Beas will be commissioned into the Navy, which sees it as “a versatile and effective instrument of India’s foreign policy’’, at Kolkata later this month.
Capable of covering 4,500 nautical miles without replenishment, the frigate will help the Navy to strengthen its role as a “potent maritime force’’ capable of tasks ranging from “destruction of enemy’’ and deterrence to “coercive’’ and “peace’’ diplomacy.
“INS Beas will be the third and the mostadvanced Brahmaputra class frigate to be built in India,’’ navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash told The Times of India.
“It’s equipped with the very capable ‘Humsa’ underwater sonar and ‘Ellora’ electronic warfare systems. Built indigenously, they are among the most advanced systems of their kind in the world,’’ he added.
Ellora will be used as a “soft kill’’ option to electronically jam hostile missiles and other airborne threats. The “hard kill’’ measures, in turn, will include the Israeli ‘Barak’ anti-missile defence system, a 76-mm super-rapid gun and four multi-barrelled 30-mm guns.India, incidentally, had earlier acquired nine Barak systems and 200 missiles, at a cost of around Rs 1,500 crore, and is now negotiating for some more. With a 10-km range, Barak can engage incoming Harpoon and Exocet missiles, launched from platforms like P-3C Orion aircraft and Agosta-90B submarines which Pakistan has.
“For long-range engagement of surface targets, INS Beas has 16 Uran surface-to-surface missiles capable of hitting targets 130 km away,’’ said an officer.
With Indian warships also likely to resume patrolling of the Malacca Straits, one of the major global trade routes, the Navy wants to ensure its force-level does not fall short of 140 warships. After the 9/11 terror attacks, Indian warships had provided “escort’’ to over 20 American and other coalition ships across Malacca Straits between April and September 2002.
This Indian operation, code-named “Sagittarius’’, is seen as a move to strengthen Indo-US relations, as well as build friendly relations with other Asian countries like Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore.
Rapid deployment of warships for tsunami relief operations also showed the Navy was capable of operating much beyond its shores. At present, while two Indian warships are in Britain, four are in South Africa. Some more, including aircraft carrier INS Viraat, will soon head for South-East Asia.
another way?
the 30K – blue and grey paintjob
30MKI – low vis 100% grey
so it begins….:diablo:
would be interesting to see how the M2k_5 performs.
PhantomII even one F-16 counts because its much more than a tool of war to the
pakistani psyche. Its a demi-god whose replicas are putup in various traffic rotaries,
taken out during processions and so on. It represents at some level, a comfort against
the gnawing insecurity that US will abandon them again like was done post USSR breakup. It also used to be source of national pride in 1980s as the most sophisticated a/c in the region (until india got a few mirages).
the issues are not financial or even strategic but deeply psychological.
no other nations loves the F-16 at the level Pak does, its their pride, a bedrock of stability against a changing world that has often conspired against them.
I also have a lack faith in the ‘tactical brilliance’ of the US establishment. these are the same band of geniuses who recruited bin laden against the soviets and helped set the taliban. until 9/11 they were negotiating with the taliban regime for a oil pipeline (infact karzai is a former unocal employee).
a taliban minister even visited the US I believe.
suddenly after 9/11 they saw the monster that was created :diablo: if 20+ top notch think tanks, CIA, NSA, FBI , SD cant separate the kernel of truth what did they do except justify covering their collective asses after the goof up?
it also costs a fortune and doesnt develop any domestic capability. cant depend on
fickle US foreign policy and shifting alliances for the next sw upgrade or replacement
parts on the projectiles….esp on a sensitive topic like ATBM wherein US wouldnt
want to degrade the effectiveness of its favourite MuNNA all-lie pakistans limited arsenal.
Arrow2 was a lot more powerful but US veto makes that out of bounds again.
So the only option left is the S-400MKI series and a new 100km range SAM they are going to start testing end of this year. it has some radar called “Swordfish” that people whisper is based off the GreenPine via Israeli collab.