Indian1973the EL-2022 SAR is mounted on Searcher and Heron isnt it? I had
heard a podded version would be acquired for Mirage2000s use.
interesting to see the LAHAT. It was testfired lastweek from
Arjun 120mm gun and hit a target at 5km. seems they plan to
equip all arjuns with LAHAT after many more tests…the envelope
was said to be 2.5km – 6km, less than 2.5km more easy to engage with conventional ammo.
Indian1973ok PAF fan no more fighting.
Indian1973Vympel , the AK47s seen in india are not AKM, its the older versions of early 1980s vintage. dont know what the COIN dedicated A-7 maps to though.
a few photos from defexpo including the A7 can be seen here
http://groups.msn.com/BharatRakshakDefexpo/shoebox.msnw
note the tatra truck with a 8-cell trishul launcher. thats how
iaf wants its base defence regiments equipped.
Indian1973G3 is outdated. hasnt it been updated in more modern armies
with HK36 and so on ?
PAF_Fan I dont really care to get into an argument on small arms
in a airforce forum presently, so well go ahead and tell your PA folks the INSAS is useless “at extreme temp” and all they have to
do for taking Kashmir is walk right in….
we shall wait quietly with the “useless” INSAS 😀
Indian1973hahahahahah….INSAS millions of them are already in service.
look up yahoo , gettyimages, corbis …yes there were initial
probs like all new rifles, but 1000s are being produced and
inducted every month for a long time now.
for short range full-auto anti-terrorist work, a certain model of
Ak47 is also now produced as A-7. as we all know AK47 isnt very
accurate at normal wargfighting range but good for “hosing” down at CQB.
about 5000 Tavor assault rifles are being imported to equip the
special forces.
ok, I will start a news and discussion thread.
“indian defence media” — bwahahahah…is there any such thing?
Indian1973there is no “news & discussion” thread for IAF so until someone
more senior starts it, I have nowhere to put news.
US offers Patriot; India interested in sensors
New Delhi, Feb 4 (UNI) India has envinced interest in buying optical and electronic sensors for photo and radar imagery and other high-technology defence items from the US while the American side is open to the idea of sale of Patriot missile defence systems to India.
A US delegation of defence companies, which is in India for DefExpo, today called on country’s top defence scientist and Secretary, Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Dr V K Aatre to explore areas of defence cooperation with India.
”We had a meeting with Dr Aatre today and he listed some of the high technology items India will be interested in buying from US.
Some of the items he listed included electronic and optical sensors and sensors for photo and radar imagery,” Lt Gen (Retd) Daniel W Christman, former military advisor to US Secretary of State and now Senior Vice-President of US Chamber of Commerce said here.
The US side is also interested in selling missile defence systems like Patriot to India. ”We are studying the possibility of supplying Patriot missile defence systems to India and it can be discussed during our interaction with Indian leaders,” he said.
The US has mounted an impressive delegation to DefExpo and it will be meeting with Defence Minister George Fernandes and country’s military leaders. ”We are here to explore the areas of defence cooperation between India and the US in the wake of an agreement reached between the two countries to cooperate in civilian nuclear, space and high technology trade besides expanding dialogue on missile defence,” Lt Gen Christman said.
Lt Gen Christman also tried to dispel the wide-spread impression that US cannot be relied up on as a long term supplier.
”Relationship between India has evolved over the last three years. Earlier because of sancions there could have been some impact on the supplies but we cannot dwell on the events of the past to predict the future,” he said.
”US companies understand that to be successful they have to be a long-term champion of reliable supplies to India,” Lt Gen Christman said.
Indian1973From Aerospace Daily, Jan 22 issue.
U.S. COMMERCE DEPARTMENT to lead delegation to India
The U.S. COMMERCE DEPARTMENT will lead an aerospace trade commission visit to India March 22-26, the department said Jan. 16. The visit will include “representatives from a variety of U.S. aerospace service and manufacturing firms interested in expanding their presence in the lucrative aerospace market in this country,” a statement from the department said. The mission will travel to New Delhi and Bangalore.
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I wonder whats on the table and wishlist?
Indian1973The MiG-29K: A Lot of Work Ahead
The path from prototype to a series-built fighter must be traveled
In accordance with the complete set of contract documents for the heavy aircraft carrying cruiser “Admiral Gorshkov,” ship-based MiG-29K fighters will be the basis of its ship-borne aviation group. RSK MiG will deliver 16 aircraft (12 single-seat and 4 twin-seat) to India of the type before the end of 2008. An option for another 30 airplanes for the period to 2015 is provided.
The chief designer and director of the MiG-29K program, Nikolay Buntin, does not have much time for the creation and certification of an airplane which satisfies the Indian navy’s requirements. The MiG-29K originally was being developed for our country’s navy and had undergone a full cycle of tests but was adopted into the inventory. Preference was given to the Su-27K (Su-33) – such airplanes were built in series at the start of the 1990s. A regiment was armed with them, the airmen of which make flights from the only Russian navy aircraft carrier, the “Admiral Kuznetsov.” However, the SU-27K’s large dimensions have not “blended” with the “Gorshkov’s” narrow hangars, and the Indian side has decided on the compact MiG.
India is a squeamish customer, who certainly has prepared a long list of requirements for the airplane. For the time being there are more questions than answers about the look of the Indian MiG-29K. Of course, it will be different than the first prototype of the airplane (Bort 311), which flew for the first time on 23 June 1988. The deck-based aircraft was created on the basis of the single-seat tactical multirole MiG-29M fighter, the project of which subsequently was closed. The N-010 “Zhuk” radar and a cockpit with monochrome displays on the CRTs were installed on the M and K modifications of the aircraft – and to sell India an airplane in such a version does not seem possible.
The airframe of the MiG-29M and MiG-29K was assembled with the broad use of welding (instead of the traditional riveting on the series-built MiG-29), for which they introduced the “14-20” aluminum-lithium alloy. The Mikoyan people think that they were “seriously burnt” on it. In service, after flights with high G loadings, cracks occurred which had to be “sealed.” The technology of assembling the air frame at the present time is being reviewed.
After the arrival at the firm of general director and general designer Nikolay Nikitin, now removed from this position (for details see Voenno-Promyshlennyy Kur’er No. 10 for 12-18 November 2003), they decided to unify the ship-based aircraft with the new family of MiG-29M1/M2 (MiG-29MRCA) multirole fighters. The firm’s policy in this regard still has not changed. RSK MiG specialists say that airframe unification between the ship-based and airfield-based airplanes is “significant, but not 100 percent.” The MiG-29K still does not exist in the new form (they built the the two flying prototypes, Bort 311 and Bort 312, more than 10 years ago.) Therefore, one can speak only about its proposed differences from the MiG-29MRCA, first flight of which took place in September 2001. Strengthened landing gear will be needed (landing on a deck takes place with a higher descent velocity than at an airfield), a folding wing panel (for decreasing the space when stored in the hangar), additional protection from corrosion and so on.
It still is not clear whether there will be a full rejection of the Al-Li alloy. On the one had, there is the bitter experience of the use of “14-20,” on the other – the advent of improved alloys. RSK MiG specialists will try to reduce to the minimum the quantity of changes introduced into the basic design in order to use the results of the prototype airplanes tests to the maximum.
Klimov RD-33M engines rated at 8,800 kilograms of thrust each are used on the MRCA. On the ship-borne airplane it is proposed to install the very same, but with an additional emergency thrust (9,300 kilograms of thrust) and an improved smokeless combustion chamber. If India decides in the future to but an additional quantity of MiGs, in particular, for equipping lightweight Air Defense Ships ((in English)) aircraft carriers, then, possibly, the new Klimov engines with a thrust of 10 – 11 tonnes, equipped with a vectored thrust system (UVT), will find use on them. At the present time, tests are underway of the experimental MiG-29OVT with deflecting nozzles. However, the use of new solutions, which have not undergone enough checking in flight tests on a ship-borne airplane can lead to an increase in technical risks and cause additional complexities in service during flights from the deck of a ship.
RSK MiG policy for maximum unification of the MRCA and the “ship-borne craft” ((KORABELKA)) extends to the avionics with the proviso that the ship-borne airplane will have other systems for communications, landing approach and the like. At various times Ehlektroavtomatika, Russkaya Avionika and Ramenskoye Instrument Building Design Bureau have been able to work on the MiG-29K avionics complex. Nikitin developed a line for the use of the Ramenskoye Instrument Building Design Bureau developments, but now the firm has a new manager. The possibility of a recurrent “lateral movement” of the integrator firms for the avionics complexes is not being ruled out. A variant of RSK MiG’s direct interaction with French companies in the construction of the Indian airplanes is possible.
Only the MiG-29K with the “Zhuk-MEh” radar developed by OAO Fazotron-NIIR Corporation has been offered to India. It is a development of the basic N-010 with the use of a modern elemental base and improved characteristics in target range detection and resolution during ground mapping. At the same time the “Zhuk-MEh” maintains a slotted antenna array (ShchAR) with mechanical beam scan. The radar provides detection and tracking of up to 10 airborne targets and simultaneous firing at 2 -4 of them with air-to-air missiles, and also operation in a ground mapping mode. The “Zhuk-MEh” is close to the “Captor” radar of the newest European fighter, the Eurofighter Typhoon, in its characteristics.
The use of a radar with a phased antenna array (FAR) with electronic beam scanning is envisaged for future MiG-29 variants. They already are trying the “Osa” radar developed by the V.V. Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instruments on the MiG-29UBT. In the opinion of one of the highly placed RSK MiG managers, the “Osa” may find use on twin-seat variants of MiGs. They still have not placed the more powerful N-011M “Bars” ((panther)) on the MiG-29. This prospective radar is only going on the Indian air force Su-30MKI multirole fighters.
It is well known that the Sukhoy Aviation Holding Company, NPK Irkut and RSK MiG have consulted on the unification of Su and MiG airplane avionics. This would enable the movement of the domestic equipment onto the India market: In that case, Russia would be able to offer the customer heavy and lightweight fighters which were unified with each other with a corresponding decrease in expenditures for service and overhaul. True, in the case of using a complex of avionics adapted for the Su-30MKI, the risks to the MiG-29K program will increase. The Su-30MKI still has not been worked out in final form (its certification is expected in mid 2004), and the MiG-29 variants with the “Zhuk” have passed numerous tests successfully.
Most likely, the Indian air force will order a short list of weapons systems for the MiG-29K: there is too little space on the ship for storing various types of missiles. True, the RVV-AE and R-73Eh air-to-air and Kh-31A/P air-to-surface well end up on the “obligatory” list. Theoretically, the MiG-29K can use the BrahMos PJ-10 ((in English)) anti-submarine missile. Its analogue – the “Yakhont” – was “planted” beneath the MiGs during the MAKS air salon. But it hardly really will be suspended beneath a fighter which is taking off from the deck of a ship because of the high weight (3,000 kilograms) and dimensions. To sit down with such a load on a ship is not possible, so before landing the airman either will have to launch the missile at a target or drop it.
Source: 30.01.04, Voennoe-Promyshlennyy Kur’er
Indian1973NEW DELHI: Indian and American air forces will hold their first joint combat exercise in Gwalior from February 14 to 26.
In the run up to the exercise, an IAF team went to America to get familiar with USAF operational procedures. Three Indian pilots flew with their American counterparts in twin-seater F-16s, according to an IAF spokesman.
The exercise, Cope India ’04, will be the largest that India has held with any foreign air force, the spokesman said.
For the Americans it is a chance to try out the IAF’s Russian fighters, including the Su-30MKI.
Though there were reservations about fielding the Su-30MKIs, it is learnt that the IAF is going to field them along with Mirage 2000 fighters, Jaguars and MiG-21s.
The US is expected to field six F-15Cs.
Indian1973older a/c may be cheap but their pilots are precious resources.
you cant “throw in a few” just because they are already cost amortized down to 0.0 over a long use span.
hence mirages, f16s or A5 all will be used with care as per the
strategic goals of any conflict.
Indian1973its one of three or four models Sukhoi showed in a exhibition.
entire pic was posted in BR once.
actually that UAV_AEW thing sounds like a workable idea to
patrol long , low-threat borders like himalayas or mexico-usa.
the endurance would be higher and operating costs less.
Indian1973neither india or pak has LGB inventory to be throwing around at
donkey carts the way usaf does. soldiers can only lase for CAS attacks where I doubt LGBs would be used.
i.e. unless you envision a army of horseback riding SSG running
all around the alleys of delhi and jaipur like the shomali plains :p
Indian1973this year Pak is getting a $700 mil aid package. If you add up the
$500 mil paid annually to rent bases pasni, jacobabad, karachi
since 2001, comes to $1.2 bil in 03-04.
“the key to fiscal success is to be the problem, then offer a
solution” – chairman Mao.
Indian1973obviously GTRE will partake of the tech transfer along with HALs
engine division. I dont think OFBs have ever made aero engine
parts.
Indian1973from a DefenceNews report on DEFEXPO-04.
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According to Israeli industry experts here, the two countries are intensifying discussions over specific ground- and ship-based versions of the conceptual Barak-8, as well as ship- or ground-based versions of the new phased-array radar under development by Elta Systems for the Israel Air Force.
“They’re looking at Barak-8 as an evolved air defense version of the ship-based point defense Barak. But [Barak-8] is so advanced that the only real connection to its predecessor is its name,” one Israeli industry expert said.
A recently retired Israel Navy admiral said Israel is developing the Barak-8 as an alternative to the U.S.-built Standard Missile-2 for ship defense. Nevertheless, the former admiral said he was aware of plans to adapt the system for land-based applications.
“Our Navy wants this missile and, from what I understand, the system can be adapted for ground-based missions, depending on the needs of potential customer nations,” the ex-Navy official said.
According to the industry expert, the Barak-8 “is pure air defense … since it will fly at very low altitudes in a very aerodynamically controlled environment.” Although the Barak-8 is not optimized for the missile defense mission, the expert said the missile will feature a capability that is planned for Israel’s upcoming Arrow-3 tactical ballistic missile interceptor.
“This missile will be fully networked. Target data will go into the missile from a standard receiving system. This is a new concept; and it means that the missiles need not be co-located with an assigned radar,” the expert said.
Doron Suslik, corporate vice president at Israel Aircraft Industries, whose MBT Division is developing the Barak-8, declined comment on system capabilities or intended customers or developmental partners in the project.
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