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October 20, 2004 at 8:54 pm in reply to: First tranche of FC-1 to have Chinese radar & avionics? #2625711

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The Culinary Institute must be itching to return the favour and “debrief” a
“missing” J-10 in langley, virginia 😉

same goes the tech inside the SD-10 … a vital secret that the Culinary instt would love to know and feel for the future 😉

we all know the Culinary instt has pretty much run of the place now in
a certain place. squeals of anguish in the media about the “loss of
sovereignty” reinforce that image.

October 20, 2004 at 6:41 pm in reply to: First tranche of FC-1 to have Chinese radar & avionics? #2625826

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interesting news Huitong, let us see if PLAAF buys more of Flankers or J-10 in future.

and J-10 for PAF is imo a certainty because thats the only “hi-tech”
fighter they can get for the price they are willing to pay and yet still be sanction proof (China will probably subsidize a little on the price). I believe you.

October 20, 2004 at 6:32 pm in reply to: U.S.-Pakistani Fighter Jet Deal Up in the Air #2625844

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another of the “deals in progress” 😉

first lets see some closure on the Ereyie and Gripen thing before
adding to the laundry to-do list.

October 20, 2004 at 6:29 pm in reply to: First tranche of FC-1 to have Chinese radar & avionics? #2625877

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> let’s not forget that the J-10 and FC-17 were also unacceptable fighter aircraft two years ago.

why do you say that ? the J-10 has been the most talked about a/c
for a decade now in certain internet fora, fakes and real photos have been posted and one hears they have developed a new engine for it. So why do you say it was unacceptable ? to whom ?

since the FC-1 make its first flight less than 2 yrs ago, it was neither unacceptable or acceptable in that time period. it was a work-in-progress towards first flight.

> and with our guidance….

funny because Pak has never developed a radar or cockpit
avionics of any type, while China has developed / cloned plenty. I am sure Thales and FIAR would hand them the radar brochure directly rather than a re-mail via PAF. :rolleyes:

October 20, 2004 at 3:57 pm in reply to: First tranche of FC-1 to have Chinese radar & avionics? #2626070

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someone also claimed that FIAR was being paid extra to make more
compact LRU modules for the radar so they could be moved back,
allowing fitting a bigger diameter radar dish inside the nose.

that also appears to be untrue based on the info we have at present.

October 20, 2004 at 1:12 pm in reply to: First tranche of FC-1 to have Chinese radar & avionics? #2626161

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quite a abject dismissal of yahoo25 and paf_fan’s tom-tomming I am afraid.
I guess it curtains for the RC400 and FIAR radar/avionics plans – these things are available *today* and I dont see why they cant be fitted into 2004, rather than waiting many more years!!

October 20, 2004 at 3:16 am in reply to: Su-30MKI vs Rafale, which one India should've gotten? #2626510

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Rafale is a great a/c but india needs airframes too. a single airframe can only be in one place. Small countries in europe or singapore or taiwan can get away with small nos of “platinum bullet” a/c like Raptor.

October 20, 2004 at 3:13 am in reply to: First tranche of FC-1 to have Chinese radar & avionics? #2626513

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some kind soul pls type out the relevant part and post here so we can discuss it better. no need for the whole IDEAS thing just the relevant paras will work.

50 a.c arent prototypes, they are decent production run.

October 19, 2004 at 4:34 pm in reply to: Russia to Sign Major Aircraft Deal With Brazil — Newspaper #2626933

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why onlee 12 ? surely a country the size of australia needs many dozens more…are there options for future blocks ?

October 18, 2004 at 10:58 pm in reply to: Harrier v/s Mirage III #2627281

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there is a long 1000km highway that runs from karachi to the iranian border through the makran desert. in the 1984 book ravi rikheye have a scenario where the now retired vikrant decoys the Pak spotters by turning north alone to appear as a large merchant ship , arrives somewhere off the makran coast and spends a day unleashing her harriers to strike at truck convoys along this route.
then she withdraws at high speed to the south.

in 1965 a PN flotilla evaded the IN and came to dwaraka a small
port town in gujrat state which adjoins the pak border. They proceeded to fire dozens of shells on the town before departing. fortunately, the British had sold them a lot of dud shells from surplus inventory and most failed to explode.
http://www.paknavy.gov.pk/HISTORY/DWARKA/history-dwarks.htm

So this kind of “it cant happen” scenarios can still happen. IN has closed that hole with a bunch of 16x Uran armed FACs though and soon the Brahmos TEL. the SS-N-2 mounted on a truck is used in a few places along the coast.

October 16, 2004 at 5:32 pm in reply to: Harrier v/s Mirage III #2628330

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from pakdef.info it looks like a single sqdn #8 Haider’s equipped with Mirage-V is the Exocet armed sqdn.

No. 2 Sqn. A Flight F-7P Skybolt Masroor
No. 2 Sqn. B Flight T/RT-33 Masroor
No. 7 (OCU) Sqn. ‘Bandits’ Mirage IIIOs
Mirage IIIDPs
Mirage IIIBE Masroor
No. 8 Sqn. ‘Haider’s Night’ Mirage 5PA3 Masroor
No. 22 (OCU) Sqn. Mirage 5PA, IIIDP, 5PA2
5DP, 5DPA2, 5EF Masroor
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so are there any other Mirages equipped with Exocet ?

If its a single sqdn the number would be ~16 + a few reserves.

The P3 and Atlantique(s) are also equipped with air launched harpoons and exocet.

So I think a full strike would generate ~16 planes with 1 missile each coming
at the ships. the P3s would act as spotters using their
ESM eqpt to feed the ships location to the Mirages flying low to avoid detection as long as possible.

October 15, 2004 at 10:33 pm in reply to: Indian Bear ASW variant? #2628674

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PLA most of the heavier missiles like say Exocet are not launched
off the rail unlike a AAM. they are dropped a few meters and then either cable or radio link activates the motor. so when the motor fires they are potentially tens of meters below the launch a/c and starting to fall behind. you seriously dont want a huge rocket motor cooking off right under the wing near a juicy fuel tank….

here is a good example:
http://bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Images/Seaking16.jpg

October 15, 2004 at 7:43 pm in reply to: Bush to ask US congress for F-16s to Pakistan #2628770

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DynCorp are the guys who supply the anti-drug contractors in places like Colombia. one can guess whats the prime use. A
good 3-page article.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.02/gunhire.html

October 15, 2004 at 7:40 pm in reply to: Pakistani Aviation news #2628774

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as you observe, limited nos purchased for flying – mostly the hard to find 2-seaters, not for cannibalization. you do cannibalization / refurbished spaes when good spares are not available anymore like for ex some Mig21 component makers are no more.

there will be some lemons however, thats inevitable when playing with used or reconditioned stuff.

the ex-RAF Jags would be nice to top up reserves IFF they are around the same tech std as the upg-Jags. If they are unique in some fashion up or down, not worth it.

I dont agree with the value of buying heavily used Sea Kings though the IN might differ 🙂

Insha Allah NH90 or bust!

October 15, 2004 at 6:49 pm in reply to: Bush to ask US congress for F-16s to Pakistan #2628843

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whats this come under ?

http://islamabad.usembassy.gov/wwwh04052901.html

Islamabad – May 29, 2004: The United States Government has just delivered three HUEY II helicopters to Pakistan for use by the Pakistani Ministry of Interior Air Wing.

These aircraft will supplement the 5 HUEY II helicopters and three fixed-wing aircraft already supplied by the State Department’s Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (INL) as part of a $73 million border security program.

The aircraft will be used to support border security, counter narcotics and related operations on the western border. They are a symbol of the ongoing close cooperation between the Government of Pakistan and the United States on these important issues.
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