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  • in reply to: buffalo success of finland #1414968
    Grendel
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    I am afraid I don’t know that much about the Continuation War. What were the success ratios of the other Finnish fighters?

    Primary fighters, alongside Brewsters, for the early/mid COntinuation War were CUrtiss Hawk 75s, with Morane Saulnier 406s and Fiat G.50s struggling along. I’ll look for the ratios later, when there’s time, but all had positive victory ratios – though all were most successful in 1941, efficiency dropping fast in 1942 and later. Reasons were logistical as much as how Soviet pilots and equipment got better – Finns had only limited supply of spare parts, fuel for these planes built far elsewhere. It wasn’t easy life with those squadrons using Moranes and Fiats.

    The Curtiss squadron, LLv 32, was anyway the second most successful of Finnish fighter squadrons, after LLv 24. They’re the “forgotten aces”, as the Messerschmitt squadrons (LLv 24, LLv 34) usually grab all the glory.

    Messerschmitts victory ratio is generally accepted as 25:1 in aerial combats (Brewsters 32:1) based on official scores, but the Messerschmitt ratio has more or less overclaiming in it. Reason is that they arrived in 1943 and mostly fought either over Gulf of Finland 1943-1944 (no wrecks as proof at sea) or over enemy territory in 1944 in huge defensive battles, intercepting Soviet bomber formations and engaging in fighting in bomber escorts or recon missions etc. And even when they fought over own territory, well that land was lost in the initial retreat phase of summer 44 battles, so no solid proof available there either. Very messy period, confirmation-wise. But they *were* successful in their missions, whatever the overclaiming percentage, which is what counts.

    But imagine that FiAF pilots were still flying ancient crates like Hawk 75, MS 406 or Brewsters in summer 1944, against first rate Soviet equipment, and only two squadrons had top equpment like Me 109 Gs. I’m most amazed how the Hawk/MS/BW pilots managed to survive, at all, even after talking to many of them.

    As one chap I interviewed put it:


    Which was your most frightening experience?

    Well (thinking). It’s kind of hard to compare them, but it was scary when I had to play against larger numbers in a Brewster for the first time. There were four Brewsters up, it was in the beginning of June when it was worst (the summer battles of 1944 “summer war”). When suddenly there are dozens of them around, you do have to be careful. But otherwise, I can’t say what was worse than that.

    I should say, that in the beginning of June during the offensive of Karelian Isthmus the numbers were really overwhelming and we were flying obsolete planes. Brewster was already so damn soft even though it had been a good plane in the beginning.

    Once I was flying with Ate Lassila, Olli Riekki and Matti Kukkonen (here started a long discussion about the family Riekki, as we find a relative of the mentioned Olli Riekki, WarBirds pilot -koko-, from the table) as fourth and flew through a cumulus cloud there was this stream ahead. According to air control center there were 124 bombers on their way to Viipuri. Ate Lassila, who was kind of cautious and thinking just watched as Olli Riekki took off out wing, dived and shot down one DB continuing straight to low level because there were at least 40 La-5s above. And in between us with four old Brewsters. That’s how it was then, just insane.

    From:
    http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-OlliSarantolaEnglish.html

    More articles:
    http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/

    And heres a search on the pages with Brewster as keyword:
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=fi&sitesearch=www.virtualpilots.fi&q=hist+brewster&btnG=Hae&lr=

    in reply to: buffalo success of finland #1420116
    Grendel
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    Have you read these online articles?

    http://www.sci.fi/~fta/BWtoFAF1.htm
    http://hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/faf/brewster.html
    http://www.warbirdforum.com/faf.htm

    Also, it is incorrect to say the Buffaloes were wiped out elsewhere. Only place where they were indeed wiped out was battle of Midway – with green pilots trying to dogfight with veteran Japanese in Zeroes.

    The Dutch achieved about 1:1 against Japanese in their Brewsters and the British had their successes too, when they flew using the strenghts of their planes.

    Finnish successes were primarily because the training of the pilots, as the Brewsters continued in front line service until 1945 and were still having some successes in 1944, when they were completely outclassed. In 1941 and 1942 it was the best fighters on the front lines. About 80 % of the Brewster claims have been verified from Russian archives, which is quite good result.

    Grendel
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    punt

    in reply to: Videos about the recent Me 109 G-4/FlugWerk FW/US 262? #1355920
    Grendel
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    Found links so far:

    http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/Flugzeuge/Me109/Info-Me109-alles.htm
    -> G-4
    Filme der Bf 109 G4 “Rote Sieben” (MPEG-Format mit 320 * 240 Pixel)

    Flugwerk FW:
    http://www.pozefilm.de/warbird.html
    Plus a Merlin engined 109 and other warbirds

    Me 109 G-4:
    http://www.prop-powered.de/me109.htm

    FlugWerk FW:
    http://www.airventure.de/news_flug_werk_fw190_erstflug.htm

    in reply to: Finnish Blenheim Mk I nose photos #1417383
    Grendel
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    The original, better photographs linked in the first post can be found from my article here:

    http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/blenheim2001/

    There’s many more photos of the Blenheim.

    in reply to: Brewster Buffalo Picture #1612487
    Grendel
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    Perhaps a photo or two!! On the ball as always JDK…10/10!

    0/10.

    That plane is still VL Humu, designed and built by Finnish State Aircraft Factory, not a Brewster. Yes, it resembles Brewster but that’s artificial, it is a different airplane.

    in reply to: Brewster Buffalo Picture #1613769
    Grendel
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    It would be really shame if the plane is restored to American markings. The Brewster was never successfully used by the US Air Forces or Navy and they never operated the model 239 in combat.

    This very plane has a well known combat history, it has 8 Soviet planes on its credit and lt. Pekuri, a Finnish ace, shot down two Soviet Hurricanes with it in the last combat. After ditching behind enemy lines he walked 20 kilometers to the front lines before being rescued.

    More about BW-372:

    http://www.sci.fi/~fta/BW-372.htm

    http://www.sci.fi/~fta/bw3721l.jpg

    BW-372

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