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  • in reply to: Pak-Fa news thread part 20 #2319233
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    I am just saying, I know it is there. Google and family are my friends.

    What I am trying to say is … Keep the PAK FA aside…
    Which one can improve the odds … 4 or 8 missiles. and why? Or no change at all.
    And why does the Su35S has to carry so many missiles.

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    in reply to: Pak-Fa news thread part 20 #2319324
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    In the Vietnam war, the F-4 carried 4 long range missiles, 4 VR missiles and NO cannon.

    the pilots found themselves in quite a predicament when their missiles hit nothing and they ran out of ammo having not even cannons to defend themselves.

    Agree, it would be like the MiG-29 all over again – an aircraft that meets performance requirements which should be achievable with a smaller, cheaper design. The T-50 has either a payload that is too small or an airframe that is too large – no matter what your opinion on the required number of missiles per fighter is, its efficiency is pretty poor either way.

    The RuAF considers 4+2 AAMs to be sufficient? Fair enough, but then why build the T-50 that big – all it does is to increase the price tag and ensure that you still CAN’T actually buy a larger fleet to compensate for the smaller payload. Also, why add those ugly, draggy, radar-reflective conformal bays if you have, in principle, plenty of room to carry all 6 missiles inside the main weapons bays? It would be an uncharacteristically inelegant solution by Sukhoi standards.

    Take into account the fact that to fulfil its mission of air superiority, a pair of F-15s has in its disposal a combined 12 MRAAMs and 4 SRAAMs

    similarly to complete its mission a pair of T-50s has in its disposal 8 MRAAMs and 4 SRAAMs.

    I am not even putting the two types in the same area or at the same time.

    I am examining ability to perform mission in relation to payload.

    If you want to make things harder, you could consider the T-50 going up against VLO targets which makes the lethality of the missiles deteriorate.

    You have to remember than in terms of actually detecting a VLO target an F-15 with an AESA radar and a T-50 stand close. So the ability to direct a missile to a target is similar if not equivalent.

    can you follow ?

    PAK FA pilots drives all the way to Eastern Siberia, fires a few missiles at an intruding enemy stealth UAVs and come back to reload.:eek:

    in reply to: Pak-Fa news thread part 20 #2319382
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    If the Russians say the PAK FA will do fine with 4 LRAAMs then 4 LRAAMs it is.
    Now everyone seems to agree the F-35 load out is just about right.

    in reply to: Pak-Fa news thread part 20 #2321733
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    How big is Brahmos? (anyone)

    It is too big to fit in a single Bay @8.6m for Land/Ship launched. Air launched version might be shorter/smaller. But a cruise missile that can fly at M3 @ barely 10m from the ground is going to be big.
    Kh-58U can achieve 250km range with half Brahmos payload at 1/4 of the weight but only in ARM mode, high altitude launch.

    in reply to: Pak-Fa news thread part 20 #2321818
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    Well 4+2 is the same loadout as the Mig31… I don’t think anyone ever complained about the Mig 31’s weapon load?

    Nic

    I think the choice of 4 is actually due to the missiles that Vympel/KTRV have in mind. The Indian payload could perhaps be more if they choose some other launcher + missiles.
    The missiles should be very interesting to say the least. Very little info on them just some statement that they will be going for trials next year (from take-off.ru).

    Hmmm – while I’ve no idea what the design load is for PAK-FA, for Su-35, there are 12 hard-points.

    Can anyone really see the Russians (of all people) accepting half that on their latest and greatest? :confused:

    Vertical launchers allowing 2 per bay, i.e. 8 centre mounted + 2 in sidebays = 10 is possible.

    Rotary with 3 per bay, 12 + 2 = 14; I wouldn’t discount it out of hand, but would they accept the added complexity? Not sure.

    Yeah, I mean what about the much talked about ripple firing with multiple seeker types. With 4 Long range AAM there is scope of only two BVR salvoes with each salvo of two missiles of different seeker types. Compare that to the load out of an Su-35S which can lift with quite a bunch.

    in reply to: Pak-Fa news thread part 20 #2330802
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    Way past 20. Time for new thread.

    in reply to: Pak-Fa news thread part 20 #2333881
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    The only reason we have so many pages here is because of the compelling need to provide an explanation to some people who don’t want it. 20 pages in 20 episodes is too much. Now, If all of that had been pure PAK FA goodness …
    Sure if someone wants to involve in mudslinging a different thread can always be created. Even PhilTheBeloved and Co. has enough sense do just that. You gotta miss PhilTheBeloved, and OceanBoy and …

    in reply to: Pak-Fa news thread part 20 #2358054
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    They seem to be using generous amounts of tape. What is it for?
    Mostly female workforce…

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1792209
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    The missile has two stages, is understood to be powered by a Russian-built NPO Saturn engine, will cruise at Mach 0.7 and is being developed to demonstrate loitering capabilities.

    http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_07_02_2012_p54-463008.xml

    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread 9 #2287076
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    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread 9 #2296844
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    Putin reiterated the bomber necessity
    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120614/174031126.html

    in reply to: RuAF aviation, news and development thread #2297472
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    X47B are not as capable as JSF for Strike. Neither the engine power nor the speed & verstallity of weopons on same scale. JSF is still consider cheap due to numbers. There is no such volume for high end UCAVs.
    funding will be issue as cheap money from creditors like China/Japan/Arabs dries up due to ageing & overpopulation. Another 20 year programe will not survive funding. here we are talking about bomber that will be stealthier than B-2 and possibly faster with 1/20 production rate of JSF.
    Private contractors for such complex project needed certain volume per year to stay in business.
    see An-70 & bomber building at same factory in Russia.

    I wonder why BAe/Boeing/Dassault/Northrop even bothered with their Taranis/Phantom Ray/nEUROn/X47B. Clearly the USN is retarded to support UCAVs like X47B and Phantom Ray and MQ8C. The USAF as well is retarded with their misinformed decision to make a super stealthy next generation bomber which can fly without a pilot, since it is clear that UCAVs won’t ever have the funding , take 100 years to develop, not capable, neither its speed nor payload will ever improve after development. They can put any Engine, or scale up the airframe but at the turn of the century what they will get is subsonic speed and 2000lbs payload. Add to that ageing and over population and the airframe might even struggle to stay airborne.

    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread 9 #2297518
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    PD 14 goes into testing. Another Milestone for MTA/Il214
    http://en.ria.ru/business/20120605/173864951.html

    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread 9 #2297537
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    Russia to field a new Patrol Aircraft for the Arctic.
    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15303

    in reply to: RuAF aviation, news and development thread #2297591
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    20 years? Even F-22 and B-2 that are basically single role took more than 20 years to put into service. when economic conditions were good with right labor & project skills.
    UCAV are way more risky due to high crash rate. see there is no UCAV version of JSF. since it is optionally unmanned. it means cockpit and pilot training will be done anyway. unless there is doomsday scenario of using it unmanned for one way mission. but in that case sending stealty cruise missile is more efficient from large supersonic bomber.

    see this example.
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/air-force-stealth-strike/all/1
    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120229/DEFREG02/302290005/Schwartz-Defends-Cost-USAF-8217-s-Next-Gen-Bomber

    Appearance in 20 years sound more reasonable than not appearing for the next 100 years.
    To assume that since UCAVs crashes now they will therefore continue to crash is downright lame. Manned aircrafts crashes too.
    The X47B/Phantom Ray are in a different league from the Avenger/Predator which are used to fight the Taliban.
    To assume that the X47B/Phantom Ray will remain just that for the next 20 years is unreasonable. They will evolve.

    These are not the years of the F22 where people code in Ada. When people had to design parts using a drafter. When the maximum computing prowess they can put inside the F22 is a cluster of i960MX and later PPC G5. Things moved on, people use Rapid prototyping tools, object oriented language, CAD/CAM etc for speeding up development. Today Intel processors(embedded options) are more than 1000x that of i960MX(a stone age ~66 MIPS) all within an envelop of 100W with passive heatsink, No fancy cooling needed, in a space of less than 300mm2. The computing power evolved exponentially.

    Money is another thing, but if the necessity arises it will be done.

    Sorry for derailing thread. 😮

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