=Scorpion82;1351437]How many nations can even affort a complex air defense system comprising dozens of advanced EWRs or S-300/400 types?
Syria, Iran, North Corea = MOST “Probable” opponents in every western general list…
How do you guys think have non-stealth combat aircraft operated in the past?
Against lesser thereats than those coming into service now, when it wasn’t the case like Vietnam or Kosovo, total Air Superiority was never fully achieved.
Do you think technology won’t evolve?
Problem there: Typhoon still lags in terms of developements.
You have to hope that its Core architecture system, Radar, ECMs and engines will be subject to some serious developement soon, all need upgrades to keep up with both US (F-35) and european equivalents.
SOC;1351404]European opinion should not be a reason for the US to go to war or not go to war. If the administration feels war is justified, they have the political duty to execute it regardless of what non-citizens think. Do I fault Europeans for having anti-war opinions? Of course not. I just don’t think they should ever be a reason for America to avoid doing something that it thinks is in its best interest for whatever reason.
It wasn’t what i said, i corrected some innacurate comment on European public opinions, dont forget at leat TWO gouvernements lost their leadership to this issue, Spain and Poland.
I know it damned well, i used to live with a Polish girl, did some work for their community and have many Spanish friends all explained this to me when the BBC wasn’t clear enough which wasn’t that often.
Britain went to wat against its own public opinion too, that’s all i wanted to say on the issue.:cool:
If I had to venture a guess I’d say that the only two serious systems potentially not simulated are the S-400 and maybe the HQ-9.
Then again, i am not sure that some ELINT have not done its job already and refreshed the threat library up to thse systems…
toan
Mirage III and J-35: The overall performance is inferior to F-4.
NOT the same class you should compare them to F-104.
Mirage F1: The overall combat capability is far inferior to the F-14 in the same period of time.
SAME here, Mirage F1 was proven superior to F-104 too.
J-37 and Mirage F1 with M53 engine: Losers to F-16.
Logical.
Tornado F3: Its dogfight and medium to high altitude combat performance is far, far inferior to teen series, Su-27/MIG-29, and Mirage 2000.
WRONG example, it is only an upgraded strike fighter without upgraded engines and definitly NO slouch at medium altitude where it can take on ANY F-4.
Mirage 2000: The overall combat capability is behind F-14 and F-15.
Mirage 4000, proven to have SUPERIOR flight charatersitics to F-15, even climb rate and expecialy acceleration and turn rates BOTH instantaneous and sustained.
So, should we declare that every Western / Northern European fighters designed and developed after WW II are nothing more than the waste of time, just because none of them had ever become the best of best during their life time ???
You post is an utter waste of forum space for sure.:D
Originally Posted by pfcem
Utter nonsense. People OVERWHELMINGLY approved the Iraq war.
NOT US, not the Germans and NOT a LOT of European people BTW even Britain went to war with a majority of its folks against it.
Schorsch
then but nothing happened in that direction.
True but F-22 and F-35 happened…
pfcem;1351209]It already does & did so long before anyone outside the program had even heard of “JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER“.
FRom DAY one it was a JOINT programme dude, USMN/RN/RAF. = Requiered specs.
Thanks for PROVING yourself wrong.
I didn’t; YOU interpret the whole thing WRONG failing to take requierements and specs into account.
USMC specialists wrote the specs FIRST, then USAF added their requierements later.
What has an operational ceiling “something like” 70,000 ft…
Mig 25/31…
Mirage III 50.000 ft, Mirage 2000 55.000 ft+ Rafale 55.000 ft+ F-22 50.000 ft etc.
Let me guess, the whole mission profile as shown by L-M are KPPs too.
You obviously are living in some kind of dream or other such alternate universe.
AGAIN; S.T.F.U.
That is YOU confusing the XFV-12A with F-14.
NO mate i replied to somone’s post.:D
You are the one who needs to inform yourself.
SURE, i’m not the one making out replacing an aircraft in a role is desigining it for the SAME role it was originaly designed for, expecialy because LWF was designed for Air Superiority and USAF used them in the STRIKE role LATER.
I did. The fact remains that changing the sweep angle from 48 degrees to 42 degrees does not prevent the F-22 from CRUISING without afterburner at >Mach 1.5 and actually IMPROVED performance in some areas of the flight regime.
You’re twisting your wires even further:
Call it “Modified Diamond” if you wish, by virtue of its VORTEX LIFT the 42* swept F-22 wings are crancked delta with all the advantages they have at supersonic regime…


Now perhaps this is too complex for you to comprehend.

This is a tad clearer no? 9 g target MISSED (Structural LIMIT) with at least TWO versions out of three.

Obviously you’re good at mixing powder and water then call the whole thing Coffee and pretend it’s the same thing when separated.
If leading edge sweep angle had been the ONLY difference between the two then it would have had some sort of validity, as it is it becomes irrelevant, F-35 wing is FAR from being designed anywhere near as “like” that of F-22.
We’re talking about a 32*sweep angle at best, pure subsonic wing profile, NO TVC (YES they DO reduce the induced and trim DRAG in an instable, conventional arrangement) and which airframe is also OPTIMISED for lower ceiling and SUBSONIC (Frontal area/Inlets although the USAF version MIGHT inherit from different Inlets).
We’re talking about F-35 which elevator surface is by others standard HUGE and happens to be LIFTING surfaces too. = EXTRA DRAG (see above on TVC…)
That was a slogun for thre F-15.
Knew it you weren’t born yet, Ask John Boyd what the FX programme was all about.
Which STILL was not strickly true as the F-15 did & does have an air-to-ground capability.
Strike Eagle = Structuraly redesigned at up to 75%.
See airframes 71-1291 & 78-0527 as examples thereof…
Yeah hand grenades under my Genuine Chinese Kit would do to qualify for A2G capabilties too according to your standards..
A strike FIGHTER designed to replace the F-16, F/A-18, Harrier, et cetera…
In the STRIKE role as it says on the box Joint STRIKE fighter.
I am not the one mistaken & I am not the one projecting my faults onto others…
:D:D:D
Just like the simple concept of a KPP THRESHOLD, appearantly beyond your cognitive abilities.
DUDE, the WAY you try to apply them to designed LIMITS without comprehending what DESIGN LIMITS and OPTIMISATION implies, you are the one who visibly doesn’t comprehend the conceipt.
I must admit the case for the F-16IN is going to be hard to beat…………even by the Super Hornet!:o
In terms of performaces it’s already done.
How many of those Tranch I airplanes that the UK has are going to be flying in 10 years?
Most of them since they dont look so enthusiastic to buy T3s.
Is there a reason why people keep discussing Rafale and F-35 in a Typhoon thread ?
Yeah stupid flaming and replies…
I could not agree with you more. Rafale has given the French autonomy.
Exactly, Rafale lead Dassault and the GIE to nEUROn and its followers, it give them design skills, expertise, experience and a hell of a good fighter too.
Let’s be proud to be French for once.:D
I find it ironic however that while the Eurofighter (Typhoon) has had some export success, the Rafale has thus far had none. The closest it has come was 18 for Morocco before it decided to go for twice as many MUCH less expensive F-16 instead.
It’s NOT over ’till the fat lady things…
Quite a lot can be found about the F-111 research (it was called TACT).
Anyways, can you indicate if the things you are posting are available somewhere on the net, or proprietary documents? I would like to have a closer look, they seem worth it.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/p…n_H-1957V1.pdf
nasa.gov/centers/dryden
Man. i’m sure you’re going to LOVE the material you can find there and have some for breafast, lunch and diner.
I do.:D I downloaded 136 PDFs from Dryden/NASA some of which arent available for free by now, they corrected the mystake some time ago.
It DOES help me with some personal projects too…
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/sampaix/Dryden-F-100-Datas.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/sampaix/Slats_Geometry.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/sampaix/New_Geometry_Top.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/sampaix/Slats_Geometry-1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/sampaix/Wing_Assembly_Up_View-2.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/sampaix/Wing_Tip_Detail_1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/sampaix/Wing_Assembly_View_Ailerons_Details.jpg
I prefer to post these this way if you dont mind.
I’ll quit now (Diner, Movie), obviously i DONT know everything but what i know i got it from some serious geezers (Including you mate)….
Salutation and enjoy the literature!!!
pfcem;1351163]LOL
Actually…
The F-35 is designed like the F-22 AND for ALL the roles performed be ALL the various aircraft types it is intended to replace.
I’m SURE USAF are going to be please to know that…:D
http://www.jsf.mil/history/his_prejast.htm
Oh, and of course being “optimized” for a particular flight regime DOES NOT prevent an aircraft for performing in another flight regime.
It sure don’t exept when its operational ceiling is something like 20.000 ft below that of others…
No it did not.
Yes it DID boy, the prime architects of the programme and its requierementsd WERE USMCs highrankers.
The F-35 starts with the accumulation of a USAF F-16 replacement program, a USN F/A-18 replacement program & a USMC/UK Harrier replacement program.
LOL. AGAIN you forget that the F-35 design is based on the STVOL version, NOT the other way around so NO it doesn’t start there.
You are confusing XFV-12A with F-14…
Not my post mate i didn’t bring it up.
No they were not.
YES they were, please INFORM yourself.
LOL
Sure thing…
Note that a 42 degree sweep does not prevent the F-22 from CRUISING without afterburner at >Mach 1.5…
You should actualy try to READ the rest of the posts…
Nope.
YEP.
Nope. LIGHT WEIGHT FIGHTER requirements were for a light weight/inexpensive day-only fighter. The F-15 was the PURE Air Superiority.
Not a pound for Air-to-Ground…
I knew it you perhaps weren’t born yet, let’s remind YOU of some, F-35 is a STRIKE fighter primarily designed for the STRIKE role.
:confused:
YOU sure are missing some bits…:D
OBVIOUSLY you are clueless as to what you are talking about. ESPECIALLY when it comes to the F-35, it origins, its purpose, et cetera
S.T.F.U. my dear sir, don’t mystake me for yourself will you?
No, they needed a less expensive (& less technologically sensitive) strike FIGHTER that would replace the F-16, F/A-18, Harrier, et cetera not only to provide the “low” for the USAF ‘high/low’ mix (the F-22 replacing the F-15 & providing the ‘high’ to the mix) but to be exported since the F-22 would not be (which INCLUDES being THE air-superiority fighter for non-USAF/USN customers).
And HERE the ol’ replacement story again… GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZUS….
I’ll pass; it’s a plague visibly.
And that’s a real high-threat environment with all the camel spit flying.
He’s talking CAS not SEAD and SEAD is the first 1/7 ROLE.
I think our specialists are AWARE no?
=Sens;1351155]http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ASSAP
Nomen est omen.
😀
Cool but i prefer that from the Nellis hanbook…
EELightning
Why would you want to use Storm Shadow on an tank battalion?
Apache with submunitions would do but no it’s designed vs tanks…