we will see if they will be able to export it (so they have to bid against other competitors like the 35 mm millenium gun, ram etc.)

OTO already sell a year ago some Strales system to Colombia.

Also on the Cavour are 4x SH-3s and “two other smaller helos” one of which can be seen from the pics to be a AW-101.

They are 4 SH-3D NLA for amphibious assault and 2 EH-101 TTH/utility with ramp. From some photo from Marina Militare the newest EH-101 were hosted on the hangar near the aft elevator.

There’re some Lince (LMV) near the hole for foward gun 😀

On Fincantieri website there’s another rendering with small difference. 2 Elevator and aft 76mm on the same position of Cavour

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The small number of aircraft is due to the lack of fund of AMI, indeed this contract is completely paid by Ministry of Industry, and because there’re 30 MB-339 CD2 delivered since 1997 to 2003 circa and about 60 MB-339A MLU with with even several hours of flying to do.

In the next years is scheduled to replace other 339A with the 346, over the first 15, and move the CD to the Freccie Tricolori

the possibility of installing the VLS Slyver A-50 with the missiles of major range Aster 30.

The first batch of Sylver A50 have been ordered more than 1 year ago for delivery by next may and the Aster 30 from the SAMP/T order.

Hi

In march I and my friends, on italian forum, made the same game with a cost cap of 24 milions of € for build a fleet. For the game we made a small, italian oriented of course 😀 , price guide, ie:

Hull cost:
OPV up to 100m: 80 milions
FRIGATE 100-110 m : 100 milions
FRIGATE 110-120 m : 120 milions
FRIGATE 120-130 m : 140 milions
FRIGATE 130-140 m : 175 milions
Destroyer – FRIGATE 140-150 m : 200 milions
Destroyer 150-160 m: 240 milions
Destroyer 160-180 m: 275 milions
Cruiser 180-200m: 300 milions
Cruiser 200m: 600 milioni, nucleare

LSD BAY type: 160 milions
Santi LPD (enlarge fly deck and elevator for NH-90): 140 milions or 300 (civil/military standard)
LHD 15.000 ton: 250 milions (civil) or 500 milions (military) (the Fincantieri project)
LPD Galicia Type: 200 milions
LPD De Witt Type: 240 milions
LHD BPE type, civil standard 500 milions
LHA BPE type, military standard (more aircraft oriented) 800 milions
+ 25 milions for each LCAC
(amphibious ship are full optional like as original version)

PA by 30.000 tons: 1.5 bilions
PA by 40.000* tons: 1,9 bilions
PA by 50.000* tons: 2,4 bilions
PA by 60.000* tons: 3,0 bilions
*Nuclear + 500 milions,CATOBAR + 500 milions

Aircraft: 100 milions each (F-35C, Rafale) , 120 milions each (F-35B). HEW: 80 milions, AEW: 200 milions

Helicopter:
nh90 utility: 30 milions
aw101 utility: 45 milions
+ 5 milions for special ops (ASW/ASuW, ASH,…)

SSBN: 2 bilions without ICBM**
** 1 ICBM = 100 milions each

SSN of 100 m: 900 milions***
SSK 50 m = 250 milions, max 12***
SSK 56 m = 300 milions, max 16***
SSK 65 m = 400 milions, max 20***
SSK 70 m = 450 milions, max 24***
*** + 20 milions for a single cruise by VLS/tt + 4 milions torpedo/ SubSM each

MHC Gaeta type:120 milions full optional
MHC oceanic: 160 milions full optional

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EMPAR: 25 milions, + 10 milions for 4 fixed faces
RAN40L 30 milions
S1850 40 milions
SPY1D 45 milions
SPY1F 25 milions
KRONOS 10 milions (ie EMPAR low cost because it has 1/3 of EMPAR array)
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PAAMS 100 milions with LR radar
SAAM ESD 75 milions with LR radar LR, 80 without
SAAM IT 50 milions
AEGIS 100 milions + 4 milions for each SPG-62 radar
System for OPV without missile: 10 milions
System for OPV with missile: 25 milions
hull SONAR for ASW: 25 milions
antimine SONAR, no hunt, 15 milions
VDS 30 milions
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MODULE (the other is paid apart, ie missile, torpedoes, guns,…)
ASW = 50 milions (VDS + hull sonar)
MHW = 80 milioni (all inclusive)
SF = 20 milioni (4 RHIB + C2 capacity)
ASuW = 5 milioni (predisposition necessary for SSM)
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Missile:

2 milions Aster 30 / SM2
2,5 milions per SM-6
1 milions Aster 15 / ESSM – x 1 ESSM /CAAM (4 milions if quadpack)
5 milions SM3 / Aster ABM + 40 milions for CMS/radar upgrade
2,5 Teseo / Exocet / Harpoon
3 milions MILAS/ASROC
4 milions Brahmos
Scalp/TacTom 15 milions
torpedoes (MU-90): 1 milions
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Guns

155mm = 40 milions****
127mm = 20 milions****
76mm = 5 milions****
****+ 3, 2 or 1 milions for guided ammo (ie Vulcano (127,155), DART/Strales(76) or AGS guided ammo (155))
57 mm = 0,5 milions
25-30 mm remote (Marlin WS, Phalanx, Rheinmental 27mm): 2,5 milions
25-30 servo – (KBA) – 1,5 milions
12,7 remote 1,5 milions

When I adapted my fleet to 21 bilions I post it

Comparison: Cavour cost the Italians around 1 billion Euro = 0.85 billion GBP, now probably closer to 1 billion GBP.

Cavour cost 1,39 billion of € without SAAM-it/Aster 15 (about 100-150 milion I suppose) because it’s paid with SAMP-T as FSAF program

I don’t think so the development of AW-149 is a problem becuase it’s on list for Turkey (proposed for co-development) and sure at 95% in Italy.

The problem of NH-90 is the price, too expensive for me, about for 4 bilion of € for 112 helo (56 navy + 60 army (1 lost)). 😡

Our Air Force watch the AW139/149 for replace the AB212 and 12 (+ 3 option) AW-101 for CSAR as replacement of 24/36 HH-3F used as SAR helo.
It’s unclear the choice but Italian Army need about 40 utility helo (I think AW139/149) for replace some AB205/212/214.

The AW-139 is delivered in few unit to Coast Guard (2) and Custom Service (1, Guardia di Finanza) for trial.
The CG think to buy up to 30 AW139(149) CP (high customized helo) for SAR role for replece 9 AB-412 :confused:

Italy and UK has the same helo-maker, than…
IMHO the AW-149 is the best choice for UK