I do, however, suspect that a deal to build the carrier in an Italian yard would have helped overcome some of the capacity issues…. If given the contract, I am quite sure they would have found space!

I believe that Fincantieri would have found space for building the IAC in Italian yards. Fincantieri took 80 months to build Cavour (27 ktons) because the Italian Navy had to divide the cost over several fiscal years.

Please note that to build the AOR by 27 Indian ktons, Fincantieri will take approximately 24 months or for a cruise ship for more than 100 ktons puts us less than 30-36 months

As for your comment about IAC being “smaller respect of CVF design“, I’m not sure I understand you; the IAC is, reportedly, based on a CTOL-ised Cavour design, with no relation to CVF.

I mean the displacement, 37+ ktons vs 65 ktons

It’s correct, IAC have the same propulsion system and a similar design, especially the island, of Cavour. Fincantieri delivery Cavour to Italian Navy on March and now Finmeccanica subsidiary must complete the system before the Full Operational Capability.
Fincantieri (military shipyards) now is busy with FREMM, the 2nd Horizon and the large Indian AOR (27 ktons) to delivery in about 24 month

Someone said the problem are in Cochin shipyard.

From Enrr, Rick86 and Little Bird

Only EU can compete against country like China, India, Russia or USA: that what we want to show you with this project. So we don’t care and don’t want to discuss about political and/or command problem.
A navy like this can exist only with a political union so questions like who control the SSBN or who’s in command have nosense: no one is strong enough to hold this hammer except bruxelles. And an hammer without someone that can use it is a waste of money.
The structure that we tried to create is a balanced fleet with ships available but we have not considered all the issues such as logistic support. Nevertheless we tried to keep national groups on the respective nations of belonging.

But just think what a Global Navy like this can do…..

UE Navy – version 3.1

Command in Chief of Fleet
– Atlantic Fleet Command
— CVBG 1
—–Homeport: Portsmouth
—–Flagship: Queen Elizabeth
—–AAW: Daring, Dauntless,
—–FFG: 4 Type 23 (then C1)
—–AOR: 2 (or 1 big new generation AOR)
— CVBG 2
—–Homeport: Portsmouth
—–Flagship: Prince of Wales
—–AAW: Dragon, Defender
—–FFG: 4 Type 23 (then C1)
—–AOR: 2 (or 1 big new generation AOR)

— 1° Squadron frigates – 1 Daring, 2 Type 23 (Homeport: England)
— 2° Squadron frigates – 1 Daring, 1 Absalom, 2 new danish AAW ship (Homeport: Copenaghen)
— 3° Squadron frigates – 1 F-124 (Sachsen class), 1 F-125 and 2 F-123 (Homeport: GermanyWilhelshaven)
— 4° Squadron frigates – 2 F-125 and 2 F-123 (Homeport: GermanyWilhelshaven) (expeditionary unit)
— 5° Squadron frigates – 1 F-100, 2 F-80(Homeport: SpainFerrol)

— 4 Squadron corvette/OPV, group of 6/8 unit (Den Helder, Lorient, Frederikshavn, Kiel and Devonporth)
— 1 Squadron SSK, 7 unit (Germany/Eckerforde to cover the Baltic and North Sea)
— 1 Squadron SSK, 7 unit (NetherlandDen Helderfor to cover the North Sea and English Channel)
— 2 Squadron minehunter
— x Squadron logistic ship

— Amphibious group – ESG 1
—–Homeport: Devonporth
—–Amphibious ship: Ocean, Albion, Bullwark and 2 Bay(LHA the first, LPD the other)
—–Escort ship: Tonnerre (refitted with sky-jump) and 3 FFG (type23), 1 F-124
—–Marines: Royal Marines and Royal Ducth Marines
— Amphibious group – ESG 2
—–Homeport: Brest
—–Amphibious ship: Mistral, Foudre, Sirocco, Joahn de Witt
—–Escort ship: Principes des Asturias, 3 FREMM (1 FREDA and 2 GP), 1 DeZeven
—–Marines: marines of French army

— Atlantic Fleet air arm
—– 132 F-35B
—– 40 AW101 Merlin ASW
—– 50 NH90 NFH
—– x P3C Orion -> then P8A poseidon
—– UAVs reconnaissance and possible slight support

– Mediterranean Fleet Command
— CVBG 3
—–Homeport: Toulon
—–Flagship: Charles de Gaulle
—–AAW: Forbin, Chevalier Paul
—–FFG: 4 FREMM (1 GP and 3 ASW)
—–AOR: 2 (or 1 big new generation AOR)
— CVBG 4
—–Homeport: Taranto
—–Flagship: Cavour
—–AAW: Andrea Doria and Caio Duilio
—–FFG: 4 FREMM (3 ASW and 1 GP)
—–AOR: 2 (or 1 big new generation AOR)

— 6° Squadron frigates – 1 FREDA and 3 FREMM fr(Homeport: FranceTolone)
— 7° Squadron frigates – 1 DeZeven 2 FREMM GP and 1 FREMM ASW(Homeport: ItalyLa Spezia)
— 8° Squadron frigates – 2 DeZeeven and 2 Karel Doorman (Homeport: SpainCadice)
— 9° Squadron frigates – 2 Meko and 3 Kortenaer (Homeport: Lavrion or Naxos)
— 10° Squadron frigates – 2 Meko and 2 Kortenaer (Homeport: Black sea)

— 3 Squadron corvette/OPV, group of 6/8 unit (Augusta, Cartagena and Tessalonica)
— 3 Squadron SSK, 9 unit each (Taranto, Rota and Greece)
— 2 Squadron minehunter (LaSpezia,…)
— x Squadron logistic ship

— Mediterrenean Fleet Air Arm command
—– 48 F-35B
—– 3 E2-F Hawkeye
—– 60 Rafale M
—– 24 AW-101 (ASW, HEW, ASH)
—– 90+ NH90 NFH + 10 TTH
—– Atlantic and P3 Orion -> then ATR-72 ASW and/or P8A poseidon
—– UAV for recon purposes and light aircrafts

— Amphibious group – ESG 3
—–Homeport: Spain
—–Amphibious ship: Juan Carlos I, 1 future italian LHD (now 1 LPD Santi Class), LPD Galicia and Castillia, LPD Rotterdam
—–Escort ship: – don’t need an escort CVL because of Juan Carlos I – 1 F-100, 1 FREMM GP and 2 F-80
—–Marines: Spanish Tercio and italian FPM (Forza proiezione dal mare, sea proiection force)
— Amphibious group – ESG 4
—–Homeport: Greece (Escort Homeport: Taranto; Lpd/lhd homeport: Brindisi ; Lavrion for LST e Zubr)
—–Amphibious ship: Garibaldi, 2 future italian LHD (now 1 LPD Santi Class), 2 Bay, ev. 4 super-LCAC Zubr, 4 LST
—–Escort ship: – don’t need an escort CVL because of Garibaldi – 1 FREMM GP, 1 F-124 (AAW), 1 FREMM ASW and 1 F-80
—–Marines: italian FPM and greece marines

– SSN/SSBN Command
— 2 Squadron SSBN (4 Brest + 4 Faslane )
— 3 Squadron SSN (6 Brest + 5 Faslane + 5 Faslane)

—Southern atlantic command, West atlantic operation area
—1 Absalom, 1 DDG Danese, 1 Kortenaer , 1 JSS/AOR, HMS Clyde
—-Martinica: 1 Floreal, 1 patrol ship
—-Guyana: 1 P400

—Indian Ocean command (includes MO operation area)
—1 F-124, 1 F-100, 1 F-125, 2 LaFayette, 2 Floreal, 1 JSS/AOR, 2 P400

—Pacific Ocean command (Main base: new Caledonia)
—1 LaFayette, 1 Floreal, 1 BATRAL, 1 JSS/AOR e 2 P400
–Secondary base: Papeete (Thaiti)
—-1 Floreal, 1 BATRAL e 2 P400

– Marines command
— Anglo-dutch brigate – 3° Brigade Commando on 4 btg
—– 40°, 42°, 45° commando battalion
—– 1° Marine battalion olandese
—– Landing force support group
—– 29° commando artillery
—– 24° commando engineers
—– commando logistic regiment

— French brigate – 9° Light Armored Marine Brigade on 2 btg marines and 2 btg cavalry
—– 19° light armored marine french brigate:
—– 2 rgt. marine
—– 2 rgt. Marine cavalry
—– 1 rgt. artillery
—– 1 rgt. Sapper
—– 1 rgt. logistic

— Italo-spanish brigate – SIAF/SIAL – on 4 btg
—– italian Rgt. lagunari and fgt S. Marco
—– 2 spanish marine rgt.
—– 1 rgt. da sbarco meccanizzato italo-spagnolo
—– 1 mechanized amphibious rgt.(italo-spanish)
—– 1 group (italo-spanish)
—– 1 tactical support group (italo-spanish)
—– 1 logistic group (italo-spanish)

— Greek Brigat – 32° Marine Brigade
—– HQ Company
—– Marines Armor Company
—– 505th Marines Battalion
—– 521st Marines Battalion
—– 575th Marines Battalion
—– Marines Artillery Battalion
—– Marines Armoured Squadron
—– Marines Engineer Company
—– Marines Light Air Defence Battery
—– Marines Signal Company
—– Marines Support Battalion
— Support

Ships: Italian, UK, French, Dutch, German, Danish, Greek, Spanish.

Artist draw of Italian FREMM

You’re right.
The 250 km is a specific indicative. However the technical data of the HEW-784 are not public. It was also mounted only on 1 of 4 helicopters provided because the technical tests are not yet finished.. For the detection of missiles speaks indicative of a radius between 100 and 200 km.

about 250 km for the EH-101 mk112 HEW of Italian Navy

There are mainly two versions: MOSAIC 2.0 and MOSAIC 2.4, having 2,000t and 2,400t displacement respectively.

MOSAIC 2.0 has CODAD with 29+kt speed and 2.4 has CODAG with 30+kt speed arrangement. Both have hull with 100m length and 13.90m beam with capability to carry 5+t ASW/ASuW helicopter (AB-212ASW was displayed on the model).

According to mission systems, there are two versions: “Missile corvette” and “multi-role corvette”.

The project MOSAIC is largely based on OPV Cigala Fulgosi / NUMC in service with Italian Navy.

For helicopter capability on site orizzontesn.it (en + eng) is specified as follows:
2.0: Flight deck and fixed hangar for 1 Helicopter (up to 5 t)
2.4: Flight deck and fixed hangar for 1 Helicopter (up to 10 t)

The flight deck is NH-90 compatible at 99% for both. NUMC have the telescopic hangar

Hi,
With a change/integration of some British build systems I think that would be a good way to go. The real question (besides national pride) is however how much money will flow back into the national economy.

The RN can buy the project of hull of FREMM and install its system.
French and Italian FREMM are very different as structure (1 nh-90 for FR vs 1 nh-90 + 1 eh-101 for IT) and system&sensor (herackles vs Empar)