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    I have to agree that some types are not realistic option.

    Most likely it will come down to F-16 , Gripen and MiG-35 .

    However purchase of the aircrafts is also closely connected to politics.

    If , lets say France , wants to make political investment in Serbia , I am sure that even Rafale would become realistic option.

    It would be good for France to say that they have yet another export success ….that would increase chance of selling aircrafts to other potential customers.

    It would bring political influence , because Serbia would relay on logistical support from French aerospace industry.

    Because Serbia will never be in position to buy such a equipment for “cash on delivery” it would require France and Serbia to come to some sort of deal where money would be made by both sides trough other trade ventures.

    Rarely sale of weapons is straight forward business and it is closely connected to the politics of the day.

    Who would think that one day France will sell warships to Russia.

    Taking all of that in to account I think all options are on the table.

    in reply to: Serbian Defence Industry, pls no flaming #2431275
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    True , nothing has been invested , I would say for even more then 10 years , most likely, closer to 20 years …but expertise is still there (just barley)
    Also there is political dimension.Iraq needs new equipment , and if hey buy everything from USA that will be ammunition for many internal Iraqi political elements to accuse government of being just US government political puppet , so it makes sense to buy equipment from 3rd source…who is better then from country that was attacked by USA.Also it is possible that , eventually , there will be “technology transfer” to Iraq so that they can produce many of those items locally. Arms sales is never straight forward business transaction …there is always political dimension behind it.

    in reply to: Serbian Defence Industry, pls no flaming #2431280
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    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=96416

    Serbia has sealed a deal to sell US$235 million of aircraft, weapons and military equipment to Iraq, the Defense Ministry said Friday. It said the material will include 20 light training aircraft, pistols, assault rifles, mortars, ammunition, explosives and bulletproof vests. The piston-engined Lasta 95 is a new development by Utva aircraft factory just outside Belgrade, and will enter production thanks to the deal with Iraq. Serbia’s Defense Minister Dragan Sutanovac said this is “a deal of the century” for Serbian weapons’ factories. “This is the biggest deal ever for our military industry,” Sutanovac told Blic daily. He said the agreement was signed with Iraq’s Defense Ministry, with the approval of the US-led military alliance there.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2389736
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    [QUOTE=Racomm;1532112]Yes your OPINIONS are not needed here, the Russians have already stated they want 150/200 Pak-Fa’s, and Rus’s economy will be able to afford it in MASS in the future….QUOTE]

    Last time I checked this is free and open forum so please do not try to act as policemen deciding who has right to post and who does not.

    Now, I think you have completely misunderstood my post.
    If you read it carefully I said that Russia and India will have large quantities (without going in to numbers) and that other nations that eventually purchase PAK-FA will not be able to purchase large quantities despite being cheaper then F-22 or F-35.

    So topic of my post is how to use it effectively (PAK-FA) or better to say how to combine SAM and Stealth Aircraft.

    And incidentally it does not have to be PAK-FA; it can be F-35 as the only other Stealth aircraft that will be exported to other nations.

    I can see that you are seriously anti American to the point that you would like to see WW3 just to, as you said teach them a lesson
    Well I hope it does not come to that just to satisfy your ego, otherwise if it does, god help us all, , because “run for the hills” wont work in that situation.

    Now talking about buying enough SAM / EWR to overlap every inch of the country ….hmmm as someone from defence background (radars) I can tell you that is impossible because even with best tech SAM will have difficulty detecting and tracking Stealth aircraft (any stealth aircraft) at great ranges or at best sporadic …… my info comes from very close source to me (can not be closer ) who had chance to go head to head with NATO in 99 and was part of the system that detected and eventually took down F-117 over Serbia. Because of limited detection range, it would be necessary to buy so many systems that cost would be stupid in the end…..and you would end up with more Air Force personnel just to use , maintain and protect than what you would have in Army fighting on the front line .
    That is why something like PAK-FA would be useful …… stealth, ultra mobile, airborne SAM platform covering dead zones between SAM sites and EWR.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2390456
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    I would like to discuss tactical use of the PAK-FA
    I think it is fair to assume that PAK-FA will eventually find its way to many clients around world.
    Of course Russia and India will be the biggest users of PAK-FA, and it is fair to assume that other clients will not be able to afford large quantities of PAK-FA, and in my humble opinion no other country will buy more than 50 airframes, while in most of the cases that number will be around 24 airframes. (Or less)

    Now, if we look in to conflicts that have seen intense aerial warfare like Desert Storm Episode 1 and 2, NATO campaign over Serbia, and possible future conflicts like possible Israel / Syria /Iran or USA/Iran conflict (not that I am saying that Iran will get PAK-FA but Syria might) question is how PAK-FA would be employed in situation where one side would posses superiority in numbers and technological equality (both sides having access to “stealth” technology)

    How would “weaker” side set up its air defence?

    In my opinion , due to financial constrains , weaker side will put focus on multi-layered SAM network for example comprised of long range SAM like S-300/400 and what ever will be available in the future , supported by BUK-M or similar SAM and for point defence would be used Tunguska / Thor systems .

    Where do we place those 24 PAK-FA in this picture?

    If it was up to me I would use them to go after:

    – Various Electronic platforms like AWACS
    – Aerial Refuelling Aircrafts
    – Cruise Missile Platforms (aerial and sea based)
    – Ground based Radar Systems
    – C3I

    In pure air defence I would put them in between “dead zones” between SAM sites and Early Warning Radar Stations in order to introduce element of “fear” and uncertainty among attacking force.

    By doing this I would force “Force Multipliers “ as far away as possible form my territory denying them clear picture , would reduce loitering time to minimum thus reducing overall combat effectiveness and would disrupt as much as possible C3I system.

    So even by having smaller number of “stealth “platforms (PAK-FA, F-35 or similar), properly used , I think it would be possible to create sort of “asymmetric” aerial warfare situation that would force attacking force to reduce it effectiveness and over stretch its long term capability to conduct aerial warfare.

    Put in to picture some ultra accurate medium range S-S missiles armed with conventional warheads (area denial package like cluster ammunition) that would be aimed at the airfield with ultimate goal of disrupting airfield operations I think that in the future even largest and most powerful air forces will face some serious problems achieving their operational goals.

    in reply to: Serbian Defence Industry, pls no flaming #2404002
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    And some more photos…
    http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3786/124271125940405lasta.jpg
    http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9923/12427141981382lasta1.jpg

    in reply to: Serbian Defence Industry, pls no flaming #2404047
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    Lasta 95 already delivered to Iraq?

    According to Defense Industry Daily http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Iraqi-Security-Forces-Order-of-Battle-2009-12-06013/ there is possibility that some samples have already been delivered to Iraq. According to this photo at least one sample has been painted in Iraq AF colours.
    http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1705/12427141981382lasta2.jpg

    in reply to: Serbian Defence Industry, pls no flaming #2436778
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    VS chief meets with Montenegrin counterpart
    18 September 2009 | 14:56 | Source: B92
    BELGRADE — There are no open issues between the Serbian and Montenegrin armies, while military cooperation in the region is better than political, say the armies’ chiefs.

    Serbian Army (VS) Chief-of-Staff General Miloje Miletić and his Montenegrin counterpart Vice-Admiral Dragan Samardžić said that there were a number of spheres where bilateral military cooperation could be enhanced, primarily in terms of exchange of experiences in training and education.

    Miletić stressed that he had received Samardžić’s support to turn the Atomic-Biological-Chemical Defense Center in Kruševac into a regional training center, adding that Serbia was keen to send Serbian troops to Podgorica, where there are plans to establish a regional helicopter pilot training center.

    Samardžić, who is on his first official visit to the VS, voiced his satisfaction that bilateral cooperation plan between the two armies was becoming more substantive with every passing year.

    “We’re very eager for our personnel to receive training in Serbia and for the members of our Atomic-Biological-Chemical Defense to go to the center in Kruševac, and we have given our full backing to Serbia to be a regional training center,“ he told a press conference at VS HQ.

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=09&dd=18&nav_id=61837

    in reply to: Serbian Defence Industry, pls no flaming #2436782
    GrM
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    Interview with Serbian Defense Minister
    http://www.b92.net/eng/insight/opinions.php?yyyy=2009&mm=09&nav_id=62036

    Iraqi side claims that all issues pertaining to the old Iraqi debt have been resolved.

    That has nothing to do with what we are discussing now. Several years ago, Iraq settled most of its financial obligations towards us and many other countries, but, following a great tragedy that befell the Iraqi people, only a fraction of the real amount owed has been paid.
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    You mentioned investments, so could you tell us what brought about a questionable decision to invest substantial amounts of money in modernizing fighter jets two years ago?

    I don’t think that this was a questionable decision. Investing in fighter jets is very important and this is something that we are going to have to complete in the following years. I would like to point out that none of the jets that crashed, did so because of technical malfunction and this was confirmed by an official investigation
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    Could you compare Serbian Army to the armies of the neighboring countries?

    That is a thankless task. A renowned analytical agency, Stratfor, says that our army is the most respectable military force in the Balkans.
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    The issue of military property is still an issue in Serbia-Montenegro relations.

    We have good regional cooperation. Particularly significant is the progress which took place in the last six months. We are proud of having cadets from Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro joining our academies. I expect the property issues with Montenegro to be resolved in autumn, which will bring significant benefits to our air force.

    So it looks that G-4 jet trainers / light combat aircrafts are coming back to Serbia ………

    in reply to: AF447 (Merged) #541225
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    One more thing , this tragedy illustrates that , despite what airline industry wants us to believe , flying is still risky business , and when things go wrong , they go wrong with massive loss of life.
    If you compare civilian aviation to military aviation difference is clear …..military always have option of punching out and use their rescue systems ….there are none available , especially for airliners .Compare it to shipping industry , if cruise liner goes down crew and passengers have option to use lifeboats to survive until recued ….airliners do not have anything similar .It is all good when airliner has engines malfunction or some other malfunction and they have airstrip nearby where they can try to land ….mid ocean there is no such option .
    Landing on water surface is at best extremely risky in best of conditions with good visibility and no waves . Try to do that in the middle of the night in stormy conditions and water landing becomes virtual impossibility .
    I believe airline industry has to rethink passenger airliner design and try to come with answer …how to survive catastrophic failure in order to minimise loss of life .

    in reply to: AF447 (Merged) #541247
    GrM
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    I am not a specialist in radars (far from it, not in the tech world) but it seems to me that the radar cover is an issue of need rather than a technical one. Beyond/over the horizon radar are nothing new. They have been used for decades as part of early warning systems against balistic missiles and enable to track targets as far away as needed.

    They have not been used for the civilian airline industry because, in all likelihood, it was not deemed necessary to have a constant view of all planes at all times over the vast and empty expanses of the ocean.

    Over the horizon radars are option but they are suffering from not being very accurate …at 1000Km accuracy is some 10Km or more …, also facility is massive and it is very expensive , it would be better to deploy either ships with air search radar or even civilian versions of E-3 or something similar.

    in reply to: AF447 (Merged) #541253
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    I think so 😉

    As far as I am aware, there is a gap in the North Atlantic too, due to the curvature of the earth.

    As far as curvature of earth is concerned that should not be a problem , especially over the water. Radar blind zone due to curvature of the earth goes as follows …at100Km radar blind zone will be 0m – 100m , at 200Km it will be 0m – 200m , so at 1000Km it will be 1000m.Since airliners are normally flying at anything between 9.5 Km to 11Km altitude , that means in order not to be seen by radar due to earth curvature they would have to be anything between 9500 Km to 11000 Km from the radar station and that is not the case.
    Radar blind zone is due to radar not being powerful enough to see that far .For example , one of the most powerful Air Search radars like Russian P-14 can see up to 1500 Km , but here we are talking about massive radar station with massive antenna .Now I do not know what type of the radar is in use in that area but typically Air Traffic radars have range up to 400 km.

    in reply to: The MiG-25 Unsurpassed interceptor #2479053
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    What I find amassing is how little understanding of modern air combat is among some participants in this forum.
    This aircraft is better than this one ….or how come MiG never (or very little) scored kill against western type and so on and so on.

    Lots of participants is failing to understand importance of various electronic platforms (E-3 , E-2,EA-6 , EF-18 , M-50 and so on)
    For successful aerial combat it is important to have properly conditioned battle space , or to say it is important to know what your enemy is doing in the real-time.
    Not only that but that information has to be distributed in real-time in most efficient and simplest way to end users (missile batteries crews , pilots and so on)
    That was true in WWII and it is true today.
    In 1940 RAF was seriously outnumbered by Luftwaffe by they still managed to beat them .Why? RAF had radar and where able to use their force in most efficient way. Not only that, but most of the engagements where performed in a way that gave RAF tactical advantage over Luftwaffe, like altitude advantage and coming on opponents 6 o’clock.

    Same is true today. If you know where your enemy is and enemy does not have clue where you are , than it is easy to score victory. By the time RWR detects missile lock , most of the time it is too late. You will be hit , no matter what you flying , newest Su-35 ,F-22 Rafale or Typhoon , you had it , most of the time.
    Even as you trying to manoeuvre in order to avoid missile , and even if you do manage to avoid it , aircraft will bleed speed , put itself in even worse tactical situation that will allow competent attacker to attack again and again.
    In every modern engagement between Soviet/Russian and western hardware it was always true that western air forces had advantage of better SA due to better electronic intelligence , so other qualities of MiG never came to light in real life combat. That does not mean that western airframes like F-15 , 16,18 and so on are not as good as MiG (or better) in close in dogfights , just we never had classic head to head (except when Iraqi MiG-25 downed F-18 , maybe) dogfight since before Israeli action over Beka Valley , like both opponents knew where each other position was miles and miles away so that they could both start with BVR shot from far, far away.

    in reply to: Stealth vs Stealth #2547112
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    Our F-22 at 60000 feet 😉 has a detection range:

    Against other ‘typical’ targets (RCS will vary) using 3.3m2 value as standard:..
    …..
    0.005 m2 F-35 (Golf Ball sized): 40 km
    0.0001 m2 F-117, B-2, F-22 (marble sized): 15 km

    Ok so finally some peace of useful data …..detection range of F-22 radar for F-35 type of target is 40Km (estimated) At super cruise speed of M 1.5 (500 m/s) that distance can be covered within 80 seconds and if we have situation that they are both going head to head with roughly same speed , closing speed will be 1000 m/s so they will pass each other within 40 seconds.So in case of heavy ECM and / or massive engagement, it is quite possible that more than likely combat will end within visual range.
    Also since detection range is considerably lower it looks to me that there will be need for greater number of CAP (to achieve same coverage) , and that means there will be need for greater number of aircrafts , but since cost of each stealth aircraft is many times higher compared to “normal” fighter will it be possible (financially) to afford increased number of aircrafts to achieve same area coverage.

    in reply to: Stealth vs Stealth #2547789
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    Lets assume that detection ranges will be cut down to below 50Km , and take in to account that F-22 and future “stealth” air superiority fighters will super cruise and will be designed for maximum supersonic manoeuvrability , that means that VVR combat will be more common …… 50Km at M1.5 (510 m/s) can be crossed within 100 seconds so if first BVR was not successful or in the case of massive engagement it is more than likely that combat will enter VVR arena.
    Also role of the AWACS will change …are they going to be able to detect lets say F-22 at meaningful range lets say 200 + Km.

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