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Senate committee to hold hearing on JSF alternate engine
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Last Update: 1:17 PM ET Mar 2, 2006
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., on Thursday said he would soon call hearings on the Pentagon’s plan to kill the F-35 alternate engine, made by General Electric Co. (GE) and Rolls-Royce Corp. (RR.LN).
Warner raised the issue at a committee hearing on the Air Force budget. Air Force officials say they can’t afford the second engine because of all the other demands on their available funding.
The F-35, made by Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) and also known as the Joint Strike Fighter, or JSF, is a next-generation utility fighter that has already lined up international buyers. Warner said he would like to hear from those countries before passing judgment on the engine program.
The U.K. has vociferously opposed prior U.S. proposals to trim the $256 billion F-35 program. Any cuts to the program could drive up their per-plane costs and also harm their industrial base, which includes Rolls-Royce and BAE Systems PLC, another major contractor on the project.
British press reports have suggested the U.K. is investigating other fighter options in case talks with the U.S. break down. F-35 program participants are in talks this year on a memorandum of understanding to nail down purchase details; the deal is supposed to be sealed by the end of 2006.
The U.K. is on the books to buy 150 of the new planes, and seven other countries already have signed up for the JSF program. The U.S. government currently plans to buy at least 2,000 of the planes, but most observers expect the Air Force will buy significantly fewer planes than the program of record.
Pratt & Whitney, part of United Technologies Corp. (UTX), is developing the primary engine for the F-35 program. If Congress approves the Pentagon’s plan, it would have a monopoly on engines and spares for global Joint Strike Fighter market.
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As a short-term measure I think that SCG has no other choice but to go with MiG-29. Originally those MiG-29 where purchased as stopgap measure until domestic multirole fighter becomes available .War came and with it multirole fighter project despaired. Personally I think that SCG wants those Mig-29 just as, again, stopgap measure until something new becomes available.
In the mean time J-22 and MiG-21bis will be decommissioned (approximately 2010) By then SCG is hoping that production of Lasta basic trainer will start and that G-4 will be upgraded to more potent G-4M standard that will be armed with R-60 self defence missiles, LGB-250 laser guided bombs, FLIR, multiple MFD and so on. Evidence for this can be found on the following web site http://www.mod.gov.yu/oteh/indexc578.html?rbs=10&uid=5#sesija_2 and especially this document that has some 3D renderings of proposed upgrades http://www.mod.gov.yu/oteh/dokumenta/radovi/95.pdf . At the same time it is evident t that SCG RVIPVO is working hard on extending resources for those G-4. Anyway that page is summary of SCG Air Force hopes wishes and future plans .As far as MiG-29 replacement is concerned it is safe to say that aircraft will be in the same class as Gripen but it will not come until 2012 – 2015. So in light of it modernising MiG-29 will be contra productive and waist of money.
Oh for f**k sake SERBMIG stop embarrassing us Serbs … we are not that stupid and we do understand word “sarcasm”. If you do not understand what other people are trying to say than go back to basic school and re take English language lessons.
What happened back in 1999 was classical example of continuation of politics trough military power. It happened because Bill Clinton and his administration could not see further than their nose and because Serbian politicians could not accept that they have lost Kosovo back during 1980’s and beginning of 1990’s so that conflict came as hidden blessing, they had good excuse to abandon territory without loosing too much of the face and Bill could say that he was great humanitarian.
SCG RVIPVO verifiably shoot down 2 aircrafts and has damaged number of others. There is good chance that number of aircrafts did not make back to base or upon return where decommissioned because of excessive damage but there is no direct evidence and one day historians will tell us what happened (in 20- 30 years)
One also must take in to account what was SCG RVIPVO goal during conflict. It was to defend airspace and make sure that opposition never achieve total supremacy in order to provide freedom of movement for ground forces.
That was almost 100% achieved.
Second goal was to make sure that NATO pilots do not feel comfortable above SCG territory, and that was achieved up to some point,
Third goal was to preserve ground attack unit (G-4, J-22, MiG-21bis) for possible ground conflict between NATO and SCG forces (thanks good conflict did not go that far)
So in my opinion SCG armed forces performed well and have managed to preserve majority of its combat strength.
Loss of pilots and MiG-29 , and de facto loss of Kosovo, although regretful (especially loss of pilots and others who lost life in that conflict) will bring something positive.
SCG will finally (one day) become part of modern Europe (EU and NATO). Hopefully that will bring increase in standard of life and state will be able to spend more money on its military. That will bring necessary technical modernisation and coupled with “modernisation” of Serbian military thought will make SCG military an integral and important part of the common EU and NATO security here at home (SE Europe) and in the wider world as a part of future NATO operations.
There was Yugoslav Ikarus 452-3 experimental light interceptor. One model (452-2) was powered by 2 x Turbomeca Palas turbojets (150 Kg of thrust) and 452-3 with 3 x Turbomeca Palas .It was only armed with cannons (or even maybe with heavy machine guns) but I am not sure about calibre. Aircraft was tested during 1953 http://www.vj.yu/VOC/Grafika/Galerija/Avioni/452_1-znak.jpg

And due to popular demand , again courtesy of Air Serbia , http://www.airserbia.com , if you click on following link , http://www.airserbia.com/video/index.htm#SCG , you will find a page with lot of video files relating to SCG Air Force ( and some other things) If you are interested in the race please check “Top Speed Challenge 2004” video where you will see race between Porsche, Yamaha R1 and J-22 .
As far as guidance staff is concerned check http://www.airserbia.com/slike/galerija/batajnica/050625/images/AS_Batajnica_091.JPG .On the left hand side you can see “second” stick that is used for AGM-65 A/B and for Grom I /II Air to Ground guided missiles . If G-4 to G-4M modernisation ever goes ahead it is to be expected that similar system will be installed inside their cockpit
As far as 3-side drawing is concerned you can find them at UTVA web site http://www.utvaaviation.co.yu/menu/utva/g4_line.jpg .
I found it on a Chinese forum but with all the Photoshopping that seems to be going on these days one has to be careful so when somebody set up an ID-LGB thread I thought I’d use the chance to get some opinions. I think this is a Paveway II inspired kit made by NORINCO (scroll dow the page) fitted to a Chinese Type 500-2 bomb. At least the warhead looks alot like a that of a Type-2 series bomb but minus the removable low drag/retarded tail and nose mounted fuse unit you see on the unguided Type-2 munitions (the sides of the warhead are to flat for it to be an Mk.80 series). I’ve since seen what looks like some of these bombs fitted to an F-7M prototype and the Pakistane F-7PG’s also carry LGBs but those are real 250kg GBU-12 Paveway II bombs but it still makes me wonder what sort of spot tracking system they are using. They must be if they want to have hope of using these things effectively.
PS. I thought the Kab-500Kr-UPK/UNU was a training round?
That Chinese LGB looks exactly like Yugoslav developed LGB
As far as I know Yugoslav started working on LGB at the end of eighties so it looks that there was technology transfer between two countries.
Another story from Yugoslav Air Force, this time is about unluckiest pilot- Vinko Pajic. During his flying career he has suffered five engine malfunctions.
1.As as pilot student his TV-2 suffered total engine failure, managed to glide to runway and land his TV-2 safely.
2.Flying on MiG-21, launched air-to-air missile, engine failed, managed to restart engine in flight and land safely.
3.Again MiG-21 was supposed to go to M2 but engine failed, managed to restart it and return safely to airbase.
4.This time flying as passenger on Gazelle helicopter, engine failed, pilot managed to auto rotate successfully.
5.Flying on Tu-154 as tourist – passenger, engine failed, emergency landing
Strategic value of SCG (and Croatia) in current geopolitical situation is in fact that they are bordering with territories that could, potentially be source of Islamic Radicalism and terrorism. In light of current long term USA engagements in Iraq, Afghanistan and many other areas around middle east and north Africa, they most likely have /will come to conclusion that they will keep token force in the areas while bulk of the forces that will keep eye on those territories will come from SCG and Croatia. (Balkan Core M21 ) That way USA and UK will be able to redeploys its troops to other areas of operation. SCG (and other countries) will also participate in other “peace keeping / enforcing operations” again replacing US forces so that they can be moved to other areas (e.g. Tahiti) In line with this thinking SCG and Croatia are adopting new defence strategies that will focus on anti terrorist operations and to support them they will develop e.g. transport and CAS capabilities.
That is quite inappropriate parallel. F-86 was designed at the end of 40’s while MiG-29 was designed during seventies.
Again, you are all misreading current political situation in SCG. SCG is no longer close Russian allays. Current political establishment, even if T. Nikolic wins Serbian presidential election (anyway that post is largely ceremonial) SCG will not make shift towards Russia. Main political goal is becoming member of Partnership For Peace, than NATO and than EU. So all speculation about what sort of hardware will be purchased must take in to account those political realities and that is telling us that SCG will not purchase Russian equipment .For example that radar station in Novi Banovci has Marconi Elliot S-600 radar complex and rest of the network is based on S-600, AN-TPS-63 and AN/TPS-70. Of them all the only Russian long rage search radar is P-14. Rest of the Russian equipment like P-35, PRV-11 , P-12 , P-18 , PRV-16 , P-15 are going out of the service . For further information radio relay network (microwave communications) are based on Swedish systems so are many Ground to Air radio systems. Main VOJIN OC is staffed not with equipment form Russian sources but everything is of Western origin (again Swedish equipment) There where attempts to equip some Russian radars with DMTI (coherent-on-receive system) but entire system was not very usable so VOJIN was unable to make those radars part of ASS-84 system. After Milsoevic was removed from power decision was made that all Russian equipment is going out of service and will be replaced by equipment of Western origin. That decision was largely influenced by unacceptably low performance of Russian weapon systems during 1999 conflict. SA-3 and SA-6 are only used because there is noting better in the SCG inventory but given chance they will be replaced with something more modern .Let me say that thinking is going in direction of missiles with active homing warheads because during 1999 it was proved in field conditions that it is very hard to destroy mobile 2d/3d search radar and very easy to destroy targeting / missile guidance radars so to bypass that problem solution is 3D search radar ( with TWS capability ) coupled with active homing missiles ( IR and Radar )
How F-117 was shot down? First AN/TPS-63V3 (ex US Marines property) stationed north and North West of Belgrade was picking up intermittent radar returns for several nights. Initially nobody believed that those returns represent F-117 but rather some form of jamming. After few days (or better say nights) of arguing, junior officer/s managed to persuade command that it is ”stealth” F-117. That night aircraft approached very closely to position where NEVA battery was stationed. After receiving intermittent returns, they switched on their “Night TV Camera” and to their surprise they saw F-117. They switched on their laser range finder .So guidance computer was receiving azimuth and elevation information from TV camera and range from laser range finder. Once targeting information was available NEVA missile was fired in passive radio command mode. Operator was constantly following F-117 by camera and missile was guided by radio (same as radio controlled model aircraft) Because F-117 was flying straight and level it was not difficult to achieve direct hit (well proximity fuse detonated warhead at same distance) That is why F-117 pilot did not know what hit him. Same approach was tried with some other aircrafts like F-18 but those pilots where on look out, they saw missile launch and they stated to manoeuvre so hard that missile operators where unable to follow them successfully and that is why so many missiles where fired and so few NATO aircrafts where shot down. Idea was also once missile approach AIRCRAFT targeting radar will be switched on just for few seconds to provide terminal guidance but that proved to be on one side difficult (unreliable equipment and not properly trained operators) and on the other side operators did not want to receive HARM and ALARM so most of the time missiles where flying in passive mode. Also other NATO aircrafts where, unlike F-117, equipped with active and passive jamming, like towed decoys, ECM capable to prematurely detonate warheads. Because F-117 lacked all of those features after first F-117 was lost and other damaged (maybe one more) they where constantly escorted by EA-6.
Ok you got me , did not know price of Jet A1 🙂
Ok so diesel engines can use Jet A1, but if I am not mistaken article mentioned diesel fuel obtained from ordinary petrol station. Now if that is correct that would be cheap way of flying because even Mr Brown could not increase taxes on diesel for motorists (unless he invent law that will prohibit using ordinary diesel on aircrafts)
Hmm, MAKO, now that is something that I never considered. It looks like very interesting project .It will, most likely, posses excellent price / performance ratio, with low maintenance cost. It does fly only M1.5 (probably because of fixed air inlets) but that is more than enough for interceptor role. Maximum weapon load out 4500 Kg is more than enough for all sorts of tasks. So, 2010, Lasta 3 for basic training, G-4M2 for advance training / ground support, Mako two seat for advance training and Mako single seat as main multirole aircrafts. And at the same time Orao 2 and MiG-21 to scrap yard.
2020 – 2025 –G-4M2 goes to retirement.
Training – Lasta 3, PC-21 and Mako 2 seat
Combat aircrafts – Mako single seat with Typhoon? Rafale ?
Mi-8/17 goes to retirement and is replaced with NH-90 and Gazelle is replaced with Tiger
An-26 replaced by Airbus A400M