Would be fantastic for it to go to Brooklands due to the history between the aircraft and the site, the original Vimy’s being built and flown from there and the replica spending a fair amount of time there too.
However, the decision is up to Peter McMillan as its his aircraft, just hope it is somewhere where it is looked after well.
A few pics from the roof:
Managed to get a great view of it from the tower of the clubhouse seen in your last shot, and what a fantastic aircraft it is, many thanks to Peter McMillan for flying it over. Whilst I would normally agree it is a shame to ground a perfectly good aircraft I do feel this one has now done its bit and deserves a retirement. After all it has been through it would be heartbreaking for anything to happen to it now.
And here he is sowing it back together this afternoon:
Thanks for sharing,
was that really 7 weeks ago???
Steve
Brooklands Museum’s P.1127 was also on one of the a/c carriers for the celebrations. Pic of it leaving the museum last week:
Dunsfold, this Saturday (4th June)
The Air Display is planned to include:
The RAF Red Arrows aerobatic display team of 9 BAE Systems Hawks
The Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (Avro Lancaster, Supermarine Spitfire and Hawker Hurricane)
The Royal Navy Historic Flight’s Hawker Sea Fury and Hawker Sea Hawk
An RAF Harrier jump-jet
Hawker Hurricane I
Hawker Hurricane XII
P-51D Mustang
C-47 Dakota
Hawker Hunter
Gipsy Moth
Tiger Moth
See you there,
Steve
A couple more photos from Brooklands, a David Brown Tractor (late 1940’s), and a Mercury tug (probably same era).
These two, along with the Thompson Refueller all run. The bowser probably didn’t move on Friday, it is sheltered under the wing of the BAC1-11, which is next to the milkfloats.
For lots of very good info on the Thompson fuel bowser and other airfield vehicles have a look at this site, http://www.juliantemple.com
dhfan- the milkfloats at Brooklands don’t really look in keeping, they are very useful for moving equipment about the site, and are easily the most frequently used vehicles at the museum.
Steve
The Camel (F6314) was bought by D. C. Mason in May 1935 and intended to fly it with a 45hp Anzani engine put in by a previous owner. Bought by Nash in spring 1936 and re-engined with 130hp Clerget at Brooklands, it was ground run but never flown. Now at Hendon.
Steve
Believe he owned:
Sopwith Camel F6314
Sopwith Triplane N5912
Fokker D.VII
Avro 504k G-EBJE/E449
Bleriot XI
Bleriot XXVIII
and a couple more, possibly Caudron and Farman? I think most, if not all survive at Hendon today.
They were stored at Brooklands during the war before being sold/donated to the RAeS and then to the RAF museum store at Henlow. Does anybody know if he flew all of them often before the war or whether he just collected and stored them, and if Nash survived the war, why did he donate/sell his collection? Just love the idea that we could have two Shuttleworth-type collections.
Steve
Hi Alex,
Great pictures, thanks for sharing.
Could you please remind me what engine is in the DH2, and whether any of the aircraft have original engines – seem to remember the Camel has an original Gnome rotary, but not sure about the others.
Cheers,
Steve
Had a look at the website for Old Rhinebeck and their replica was built in 1957 by Cole Palen, and restored in 1998, so I guess it is still owned by the museum. I don’t know if any other replicas were built for the film, other than the flyer, and if so whether they survive today.
I am not a pilot and have never flown in anything like a pioneer aircraft, or a powered hangglider. There is at least one person on this forum who flies aircraft of that era and could probably give you an educated answer of it what it would be like to fly. In my opinion it would be a lot harder to fly than the aircraft of today, even a replica like the one built for the film is unlikely to be that stable or as forgiving. I think that if you were to stall the Demoiselle you were in big trouble as the centre of gravity is quite far aft of the centre of pressure. However, if it was that hard to fly would Santos-Dumont have been able to fly it, with virtually no pevious experience? He did have several crashes in it, which could be expected really, but also flew it round the Eiffel Tower. I believe serveral Demoiselles were built, some by different people as he was happy to give his designs away for free, and I have been told that none were involved in fatal crashes, but cannot confirm this. It was quite a popular aircraft of the day, so it sounds like for the period then it would have been quite reasonable to fly.
Steve
Not sure how many Demoiselles they built for the film, with most other aircraft they built 2 or 3, with only one of flyable and the rest for ground sequences.
As OzMatt said, they had to make many modifications for the flying replica. The bamboo fuselage was replaced with steel tubing welded together, and the wings were extended about 1ft each side. The flight control system was also changed. Originally the rudder was controlled by a wheel to the left of the pilot. The wheel would be moved forwards or backwards for left and right rudder, always a good idea to remember which way you are suppost to move it as it is not instinctive like most controls. The elevator is controlled by a stick to the right of the pilot, that again moves fwd and back. The wingwarping is ‘controlled’ by a stick that that runs up a sleeve in the back of the pilots overalls, and the pilot would lean either side to move it. For the replica it was an ordinary stick in front of the pilot for the elevators and ailerons (instead of wingwarping), and standard rudder pedals. The engine they used was a 30hp Ardam (Volkswagen) engine, and was later replaced with a 50hp Ardam to give more power. I think the original engine was a 30hp Darracq twin which ran at about 1500rpm.
I think there are two taxiable replicas about, one in America, possibly Old Rhineback but I am not sure, and one at Brooklands Museum which I happen to be involved with. The one at Brooklands is an accurate replica, with the bamboo and original type flying controls, hence the fact that it will never be allowed to fly. It is powered by a 40hp Daf car engine (heavily modified with Volkswagen cylinders). I believe this power will be enough to make it fly adequately, it certainly feels like it, but I am not brave enough to try it.
The last point is that if you are thinking of flying one, for the replica in the film they had to find a pilot weighing under 8 stone, neither Doug Bianchi or Allen Wheeler could get the aircraft to ‘unstick’, so the flying was done by Joan Hughes. Santos-Dumont was short (or vertically challenged to be politically correct), think about 5 ft. I am about 6ft and when I sit in the one at Brooklands I have to lean forwards to stop my head hitting the wing, and I am pretty wedged in their between two diagonal supports, there would be no way I could work the wingwarping. If you fit the dimensions above and do one day decide to build a flying one then good luck. A good book to read if you haven’t already is “Building Aeroplanes for Those Magnificent Men” by Allen Wheeler, which gives a lot of info on the Demoiselle.
Steve
The photo, if it comes out, is of me running the one at Brooklands last year.
A couple more.
Last one shows the Varsity, Viscount, Vanguard and VC10 in the old car park. Just have to wait for the Viking, BAC 1-11 and Concorde and the line-up will be complete.
Steve
If you insist then, CL5.
Here are some pics of the VC10 moving across the bridge into Brooklands Museum.
Steve
None of the airliners, except the Vanguard can run its engines.. The Demoiselle and Bleriot have their engines run some events, and the Sopwith Camel is capable of running, but hasn’t for a couple of years now.
Steve