I know it’s not an eye, it’s just that’s the closest thing I could think of to describe it. 🙂 That makes sense, but there’s also the triangular warnings as well that seem to warn about this.
It is an “explosive” canopy warning and the triangular one warns of the ejection seat.
Just a coupple of questions. The SAS is part of the RAF or the BA?
Anothe information said that both choppers seem to be operated by 8 Flt. AAC. So, who is the right user of the choppers? Does anybody know?Thanks in advance and best regards,
Fernando
They are with 8 Flt. AAC, (ARMY Air Corps)
ill get the pic i got up in a bit
Any luck with the pic :confused:
If you are interested in Pucara A-528, I have loads of pic’s of it and can get you loads more if you wish.:) I also have loads of Puma PA-12, together with a panel from this aircraft.
You are free to believe what you want, and i am not going to argue a topic already i have argued with you, if it suits you to think it was not a loss okay, for me it was and it is enough for me that.
No point to convince you, you can live all your life thinking like that.
If you can show me the manual of the Mirage F1 and we compare it to the MiG-23 then if you show me it was the better fighter i will change my opinion, but your position is not a technical one rather a political one and such argumenst do not work just repeat claims and counter claims, however i believe AIRWAR.ru about the superiority of the MiG-23ML over the Mirage F1
You seem hooked on your manuals, one thing the French could never do is to produce a decent manual :diablo:
My position is not political, I’m merely pointing out the facts which you seem to prefer to overlook. I would never be so childish as to claim one aircraft is better than another. A fighter is part of a system and that is what makes it work. Both fighters have there good and bad points. The system in place on the day is what will make one surperior to the other.
A kill does not need to be defined. Everything that puts the other aircraft out of combat is a kill. Whether this happens by a direct impact of an AIM-54 Phoenix or by making your opponent fart uncontollably and suffocate in the cockpit is of secondary importance. Whether the other aircraft crashes, burns, belly-lands or makes it back to base and whether it is later repaired, cut to parts, cannibalized, scrapped or left to burn is also unimportant.
If you fail to accept a kill because of uneven missiles used, then ok, let us also disregard kills against Serbian MiGs which had no radars working. Let us also disregard IDF/AF kills scored by highly experienced pilots against Arab rookies. Let us also disregard Henneman’s (F-15C) kill of Iraqi PC-9 whose pilot surrendered and ejected without a single shot. And finally, let us also disregard other USAF kills over Iraq scored against unarmed aircraft that were disengaging to Iran and had absolutely no intentions to get involved in any combat, whatsoever.
Sounds fair, doesn’t it? I really wonder how many kills will be left in the end 😉
What on earth are you babbling about? We are not discussing kills but rather an example put forward as to what supposibly makes a better fighter. So rather prove to me how this “kill” mentioned proves that the MiG-23 is a better fighter?? My view is that taken into proper context, it does not!
Who cares? Brits over Falklands had all-aspect AIM-9Ls against Argentinian Bravo models, does it mean the kills *don’t count*?
Depends how you define a kill doesn’t it? My point is that this is a poor example to use as proof of the better fighter. An all-aspect missile affords more chances of a kill to the side who has it, so how does that make it a better performing aircraft? This is a single example and I find it weak because it was not a clean kill and the pilot lacked the ability to carry his attack through.
It was shot down, of course it was because it was put out of action thanks to battle damage, but showed some main drawbacks of the R-60 as it was shown in the 1982 Bekka valley combats when an F-15 made it back to its base.
The main drawback is the Russians sacrificed warhead size to make the R-60 small, would it had been bigger the F-15 would had been shot down and the Mirage F1 would had never made it to base after been hit by a R-60.
If you want to praise the Mirage F1 characteristics well the aircraft was a bit lucky since it was not inmediately shot down, but at the end was a lost and it counts as shot down for many Historians specially those in Russia and Cuba.
However your question can be answered like this: The MiG-23 was a good aircraft but the R-60 needed a more powerful warhead or a bigger warhead
You are free to have a different opinion, but not everyone in this world agree with such historical position you hold.
No it was not shot down(aircraft was not a “total loss”?), battle damaged yes, main damage was caused by the work being done on the runway at Rundu which entail removing the barrier nets etc. otherwise it would have been a different story. Had the SAAF Missiles worked then you would have seen different results. The Cubans had better missiles, all that the MiG-23 had in it’s favour was speed which enable them to out run the Mirage cannon fire.
Not everyone agree’s with your opinion either and that includes pilots that have flown both in combat.
It had advantages and they were clear, in fact this is a result, a SOuth african Mirage F1 shot down by a MiG-23ML
It wasn’t shot down and it was the missile and not the aircraft that had the advantage? Why are we digging up old threads?
ANYONE KNOW WHY THE BBMF DACOTA WAS FLYING IN HATFIELD TODAY!!! ill get the pic i managed to get last min ….reson i asked is last month the blades done a privet disply at same area just wonderd if it were doing the same .it went aound about 4 times then went back off to the north ???
It was for the re-dedication service for the RLI Trooper Statue and was over flying the Ramada Hotel or “Comet” Hotel if you prefer. I would appreciate any pic’s as I was stuck inside!

This is what I got from a Puma pilot who was there at the time;
It was a one-off prototype built to the French Army (ALAT) request for a Puma that could land, fold it’s blades and then taxy by wheeled power under cover, like a tree. It also had to be capable of crossing a 1 metre ditch. So it got a 1 metre+ ski between the nose wheels for the ditch crossing and the double bogies at the main gear. Apparently the blades were folded, I think with a freewheel system to allow an engine to keep operating, generating hydraulic power that powered the main wheels.
I remember Roland Coffignot (Test pilot) saying they built it, tested it, then spent a hour flying round the south of France trying to find a tree where the first (lowest) branches start 17 ft above the ground, not finding any and the programme was terminated. I suppose the airframe reverted back to a normal/standard aircraft.
A prototype was used to test a ten wheeled landing gear with eight powered mainwheels(four each side) which allowed the helicopter to cross rough terrain under wheel power. Thats all I know about it I’m afraid. I have a friend who has an official model of it, if you wish I can try to get some photographs of it?
The existing threads are specific to the Super Etendard and Exocet, and a Mod has effectively asked that general Falklands discussions (especially about alternative scenarios) must go elsewhere.
No he didn’t! The thread had moved onto a possible global nuclear war discussion and a bickering contest over WWII etc. Please keep it “Falklands” specific. That thread is now locked, so please do not open several threads covering the same topic! You have a chance for a great discussion, don’t ruin it by slinging mud at each other.
Perhaps a more specific title would be helpful. The current title implies an open discussion about all aspects of the Falklands war, but this as you state is not the case, so perhaps it should be renamed “Effects of ASuW Missiles In The Falkland Islands Conflict” or similar.
The title was clear enough, the Falklands had nothing to do with the Japanese etc. and a possible global Nuclear War which you were “discussing” and I did say keep it civil!
Any further postings can go on “An open Falklands discussion! “
This one is now locked.
Chaps,
I’ve already allowed the SUE thread to spill over into a Falklands thread, I’m not about to allow this thread to spill over! If you want to discuss Nuclear weapons then start a new thread in the “Missiles and Muntions” forum!