Mpacha
Here you go with dates and pilots names.1x MiG-23ML 8/9/1984 w/o Cap. Pedro Zequeiras Moreno, Luena
1x MiG-23ML 8/9/1984 w/o Tte. Alberto Olivares Horta, 1 dead, Luena
1x MiG-23UB 8/9/1984 w/o MY Antonio Rojas Marrero, Copilot general Ruben Martinez Puentes, run out fuel, Luena
1x MIG-23ML 3/12/1985 w/o Cap. Lino Cabrera Viera, Menonge
1x MIG-23ML 7/25/1986 w/o Cap. Jorge Gonzalez Perez, MENONGUE, 1 dead
1x MIG-23ML 9/13/1986 w/o Cap. Jose A. Garcia Flores, MENONGUE 1 dead
1x MIG-23ML 2/15/1988 w/o Cap. Juan P. Rodríguez(Capri) , CUITO 1 dead
1x MIG-23ML 1/21/1988 w/o Cap. Carlos Rodriguez Perez, MENONGUE 1 dead
1x MIG-23ML 1/14/1988 Cap. Francisco A. Doval , CUITO
1x MIG-23ML 3/17/1988 w/o Ernesto Chavez , CUITO 1 dead
1x MIG-23ML w/o Bárbaro Raúl Quiala Castañeda; muere e Luena
Couple of comments to this list.
The MiG-23ML of 13/9/86 was shot down by a Stinger, on the 17/3/88 by AAA fired by UNITA. The one on the 14/1/88 shot down by the SADF.(SAM-7?)
Possibly the same as you have for the 12/3/85, but I have on the 12/05/85 Cap Lino Roberto Vieras Alonso shot down by UNITA.
I also have;
29/4/88 MiG-23ML(C-461) shot down in Bie Province.
30/10/87 (Cuban sources state 28/10) MiG-23UM shot down near Luena, Tte. Cor Manuel Rojas Careia and Cap Manuel Quesada Aguilar captured.
21/11/87 MiG-23ML shot down Tte Ernesto L Chavez Marrero.
I have a few others which don’t have as strong info. to support the claims.
Many thanks!
Mpacha
Sorry I can tie them up to Angolan Serial, but I do have a list of Cuban MiG-23ML shootdown during the Angolan war.
Luis
No worries, any chance of sharing that list 😀
Nijmeijer
Thank you very much for your imput, The delivery date of the MiG-23MF can be 1982, I have ask former pilots of the DAAFAR and they could not remember accurately.
About the MiG-23ML, yes I did put that two squadrons were send to Angola by the Soviets and they were Cuban own. So tha makes a total of 36.
I do have the serials of seven MiG-23ML that were return to Cuba after the Angolan war .
223
232
240
241
242
243
245I hope this can help.
If you have any more questions send me a private email, Don’t like to put to much info in public, on how we get all this data, it will make this more difficult for the future, you know what I mean.
Thanks again Luis
Are you able to tie these up with the Angolan serials?
Thanks,
Fantastic pictures luisdo, thanks for sharing !
27 June 1988 Eleven Cuban MiG-23MLs with demolition bombs appeared over the hydroelectric dam at Ruacana-Calueque in Namibia. The attack was a total success.
Ruacana is not in Namibia.
Only eight MiG’s took part, of which six dropped bombs.
Whilst successful, the operation was hardly a “total” success since the dam wall was not breeched !?
There were no Ginas left behind in Angola or Mozambique.
Abraços
The last ex-Portuguese G91R-4s were withdrawn from Angolan service in the 1980’s!
The Portuguese definitely used them in combat in Angola and Mozambique.
While broswing through the questions section on aerospaceweb.org I found an article where someone asked what type of an aircraft they had seen and they provided a picture. The aircraft in the picture is a G.91. After the author of the site answered the question about what type of aircraft it was, they provided a brief history of the G.91. In that write-up it is mentioned that Portuguese G.91’s saw combat. I’ve never heard this. Can anyone provide any information?
Here’s the link to the question and answer where I read all of this.
Used in Mozambique around 1969 and in Angola from 1963 as Recce and ground attack, and I think even air-to-air against MiG-17’s in Guinea?
It appears to have been a “reverser unlock” on the #2 engine that started this. Fortunately the crew immediately shut down the engine. The airplane was well over 700K. Unfortunately, only one of the three pilots was really comfortable with the new glass cockpit and FMS.The crew decided because of their weight to fly their approach to the longest runway. They also decided to fly at full flap approach to keep the approach speed down The recommended flap setting for a three engine approach is Flaps 40. During the approach the crew became worried about not having enough power to fly a full flap approach and selected flaps 40–which they were now too slow for. The pilot who was familiar with the new glass cockpit and FMS was also the one flying the aircraft. He became distracted inputting the new approach speed in the FMS. There was also some confusion about just who was flying the A/C while he had his head down updating the speed. Aircraft slowed down too much and got into into the shaker, and struck the tail into the trees and it departed the aircraft first. The nose pitched down hard and the nose and left wing impacted next snapping off the nose. Several cockpit occupants suffered spinal compression injuries. The guys sitting at the crew table behind the cockpit actually came to a stop with their legs dangling out over the ground. The left outboard fuel tank split open but fortunately the leaking fuel did not ignite!
I dont know if you are prepared to travel further but i believe you can lern to fly on Raf Henlow, not sure of names or anything. Im sure someone can correct me there.
You are correct and I’d say this is probably a better bet than Cranfield, although Billins and Bonus are also good fun!
Did you notice the new single piece windshield on that Cheetah? :dev2:
Whilst fairly new on the Cheetah D, the idea is hardly new since it has been on the Cheetah C from the begining! :diablo:
For a PPL I would suggest that you stay well clear of Cabair, priority falls to the Commercial school as far as the fleet is concerned!
A few more………
Thanks again Paul, almost the same colour scheme they had when first entering SAAF service 😀
Thanks Paull,
Attached is a picture of the two that won’t be flying 😉