….This could be just a stunt organised by the local organisation for a publisity stunt to get more recruits to join up. Considering the date of the pic I’d say you’ll see it rather soon in an advertising campegine
Well if it is indeed a publicity stunt wouldn’t they have choosen better weather? Shure the F-16 formating looks cool but the weather doen’t suggest a sunny (pun intended) day in the Civil Air Patrol.
I would guess what contrailjj said. Its prolly just a part of an (minor) exercise or something.
/Dan
Hi,
I have posted a few threads on this forum but never any photos; I have just returned from a working trip to the HST and thought you might appreciate some photos. Unfortuatley they are not very professional as I was working and didn’t get much time to take photos (very difficult to hide a Canon DSLR up your float coat and work at the same time!!). Hope you like them.
Wow u don’t have a job, u have an adventure! Or has the US Navy slogan changed? 🙂 We shure do like them Si! Thank you.
/Dan
How is the F-22 in its current guise a sufficient stop-gap? A ground-attack loadout of 8 GBU-39 SDB’s or two GBU-23 JDAM’s isn’t really all that impressive. I know the Raptor can launch these weapons at pretty good ranges, but that’s a very limited number of weapons, and the weapons themselves are fairly small.
No 2,000-lb. class weapon has yet been cleared for the Raptor, and that remains my biggest problem with it as of right now. It’s bay wasn’t designed to handle those larger types of weapons, and thus its limited to a maximum ground-attack payload of 2,000-lbs. total….hardly ideal, even as a stop-gap, to replace the F-111 fleet…..
If they want a Hornet replacement for air defense that’s one thing….but for the Pig?
Like I just said in another post: IMO there is no newbuild aircraft to offer a sufficient replacement other than the F-15E or the SU-27 IB/SU-32/SU-34 if not politicaly impossibel.
I think Australias concearn is more range than carrying a lot of bombs. Beeing ‘down under’ with it’s endless hillarious permutaions (sorry if I offended anyone :p ) Australia is far away to anywhere. Some defence analysis remarked that Australias largest threat is to the north and some 20 years away. The F-18 E/F is to short legged for what the F-111 does today. IMO an F-22 with 8 SDB’s would be much more efficient than a Super Hornet. Even as having a couple of externa 2000lb bomb or AShM’s it would bo a better job I think. But this specualtion is more or less usless since the US wont export the F-22 apperently. 🙂
/Dan
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F-111 development with F-22 engines and some stealth features
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Just replacing the engines wont be enough. just having a mere cm difference between the TF30 and F119 will necesitate a major rebuild of the empanage, not to speak of the difference in air mass flow wich will require new inlets. To rebuild such an old airframe to that extent is not that economical. It would be better to settle for a F110 replacement a la Tomcat and leave the intake more or less as is. Still the old airfram will require many maintenance man hours. Reliability will still be an issue I think.
IMO there is no newbuild aircraft to offer a sufficient replacement other than the F-15E or the SU-27 IB/SU-32/SU-34 if not politicaly impossibel.
/Dan
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That info can be found on page 65 of this document:
https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/FMB/pb/2007/afprocurement/3010_Aircraft_Procurement_v1_FY07_PB.pdfF-22 raptor costs:
Engines: $19.069 million
Airframe: $75.848 million
Avionics: $25.171 milionTotal: 120.088 million
BTW, it lists the attrition replacement cost for an F-15E at $108 million on page 81, so the raptor is (about) $12 million more per unit than an F-15E
Thanks zeroyon04. The URL just wont open for me atm. Either its not for public viewing or I just cant load it. I will try later..
/Dan
…The USAF is currently logging the UPC (i.e. what each new unit costs them, not including R&D) of F-22s at about $174 mn, expected to drop to $168 mn. That should be taken as a floor. Any new user would also have a lot of set-up costs, e.g. training, & would have to pay for support….
Yes we have hear so many different qutations on prices. Different parties choose different ways of presenting the costs acording to their own agenda, making it confusing (for me anyways) as to the true costs of the F-22.
What I would like to know is how much the different parts of the Raptor actually cost. Like the airframe, the radar, other sensors except radar, engines, computers and mission systems, all other avionics, aircrafts systems, LO materials and other areas that I have not thought of. And offcourse these systems respective development costs.
The reason I want to know these things is I was wondering if an export version could be developed. The export version would use non sensitive LO-tech or whatever LO-tech is exportabel. Probably not much LO is exportabel. But if the US is ok about selling the F-35 Lightning to a country why not use the LO tech from the F-35 adapted to the F-22. Basicaly it would be an F-35 in an F-22 Airframe. Finaly an F-22 two-seater would be developed. 😎
Offcourse Sweden would need some of them F-22 E’s (E for export) to fight of…. eeeerh any vicious finish raindeer crossing the border!!! :diablo:
/Dan
$200 million USD per F-22 to Japan wouldn’t be that bad of a deal considering that japan spent almost $100 million USD per F-2 ….
The high cost of the F-2 is the reason the Japs stoped procurement. Setting aside the much better (different) performance that the Raptor has over the F-2, why would they be happier with spending even more?
/Dan
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Just an old J-35 doing what i think is a cobra:
J 35C Flygning The video is from this site:
http://www.f10kamratforening.se/Years after the retirement of Austrian Drakens I begin to understand its true capabilites. No wonder it wasnt retired until 2005 😀
Excellent stuff – I believe it was done quite regularly by the SK 35s, but not at low altitude!
Here’s an interesting clip of a superstalling Draken.
Just as DTJJ mentioned: Superstall is not a new phenomenon to Deltawinged aircraft, and this was done as a training exercise for the Draken pilots. IMO this is not a “Cobra manouver”. 😎 But I still love The Draken. It’s one of my favorits. …you know with a couple of dussin else:D
/Dan
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Anyways, I’m curious…..who does Herc glass cockpit upgrades besides the new Boeing program?
The Turkish C-130 avionics upgrade progam called “Erciyes Progam” has been on the table for a time now, just like many procurement and upgrade progams in Turkey 🙁 . Apperently things are starting to develop now….
http://defencetr.blogspot.com/2007/01/c-130-avionics-modernization-erciyes.html
/Dan
A week late but Congratulations!! 🙂
/Dan
What on earth?
A Harrier II body with a Sea Harrier FRS1 nose/radar????????
Eeeeerhh… not realy. That is a AV-8B+. The radar is a used APG-65 from F-18A Hornets with a slightly smaller antenna dish.
FYI the SeaHarrier FRS1 nose is pointed and the radar is called “Blue Fox”.
I am sertain I have seen the exact same post b4. FFS u guys at FAR tech. This kinda crappy spam makes me distrust your seriousness 🙁
/Zippo
Nimrods were modifyed to carry sidewinders during the Falklands war. Apperently the new MRA4’s retain that capability.
Searched for some pictures but didnt find any.
/Dan
Possibly…………………….Yet, the GE F-136 will have more power! So, maybe that would make up for the added size and weight???? Though I have to admit a Big Wing STOVL Lightning would be highly unlikely for a number of reasons………………:rolleyes:
Well IFF the F-136 will bring any better thrust it would be better spent on getting the larger internal bomb bay. Would it be feasabel? or are the side exhaust thing-a-majig still in the way?
/Dan
I would like to see F-35 get the same treatment as F-16XL.
Stretch the fuselage by adding plugs aft of the cockpit and aft of the wing. Fill those plugs with fuel and increase the length of the weapons bay. Then replace the wing and horizontal tail with an X-47 style wing….
I have also thought of something similar. But adding fuselage plugs would require substantian testing and analysis of the airframe. Just adding a larger wing and not changeing the CG would not cost so much I belive. I would prefer a scaled down version of the F-22 wing. Maybe ad a few essential Raptor avionics and develop a double rack for AMMRAM’s (6 in total) in place of the JDAM(it would be very tight), and ad TV. utilize the new aircraft as a altitude air superiority/supremacy Fighter. Call it F-35 F for air supremacy Fighter or F-35 R for Raoptorized :cool:. This aircraft could be offered to countrys already operating or considering to buy the F-35.
Or better yet… Take out the fancy schamncy stuff in the F-22 and insert F-35 technology such as LO and avionics on the F-22. Essentialy an F-35 in a F-22 platform. The Americans can keep their precious F-22 LO tech a secret :p and yet offer a Air Superiority/Supremacy fighter to complement the F-35. 😎 Call it F-22 L for Light or Lightning :diablo:
/Dan