https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lockheed-pulls-out-of-fa-50-crada-434283/
Lockheed Martin has pulled its FA-50 out of an airworthiness assessment with the US Air Force, service officials tell FlightGlobal.
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βLockheed Martin decided to withdraw from the Cooperative Research and Development Agreement for FA-50 because we could not close on the final terms and conditions,β a Lockheed spokeswoman wrote in a 14 February email to FlightGlobal.
Ok so the FA-50 is not a T-50. But wouldn’t this hurt their T-X proposal?
\Dan
Those Gripen C/D might find customers elsewhere*, but not Argentina in the foreseeable future, for the reasons Fedaykin gave. Too much British content.
*E.g. existing customers, such as Thailand. There are radar & other upgrades available to keep them effective.
Oh yeah lol I almost forgot the britts π
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Looking to the future the FA-50 is increasingly imho the best choice, affordable, modern and available at an attractive price. With tanker support range is not particularly an issue. It’s modern avionics and Israeli radar open the door to better smart munitions and even a BVR missile of some form.
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In respect of the improved US Argentina relationship there are various excess defence articles that would be of interest to Argentina for, example more C-130, P-3, various helicopters and ships. Maybe some KC-135?
With Sweden acquiring the new E version of JAS 39 Gripen the politicians have come up with the ‘bright’ idea of SCRAPPING ca 100 or so “old” C/D. Incidentally the last one delivered was 2015. Gripen has significant US content, the engine beeing the obvious one, so in a sense it could also improve US relations.
Argentina already have C-130 and P-3 (…and electras) and/or experience operating them. So getting a few new makes sense. But introducing KC-135 which was old already 20 years ago doesn’t. If tankers are needed buy som ex USN/USMC KC-130’s
\Dan
I still think they should have looked harder at Mirage F1’s as a stop gap and if they could find 12 to 16 good ones they still should as it keeps pace with other types in the region for the next 10 to 15 years
I like the F1. It would have been a good choice. But the french are selling them for to much money. I am guessing that they don’t want to compete with themselves (rafale).
\Dan
Was fortunate to fly on the Gripen D again at Aero India –
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Cool! Gz man π
\Dan
No it wont.
This entire topic is a severe “wishfull thinking” burst.
:very_drunk:
I think the Marines having their own air force is a luxury the country can no longer afford. Instead of buying Harriers, F-35s, F/A-18s, they can buy stuff that is core to their mission like the AAAV and helicopters instead.
My objective is to spend less on the military, while obtaining more capability in areas that need it, and the biggest savings are produced by eliminating stuff that isn’t needed, and making affordability and value-for-money a top-line priority, not something added after the fact in search for “efficiencies” on gold-plated monstrosities. The latter gets you idiocy like a barely functional $7bn destroyer. The Super Hornet — as one of the few clear success stories for the post-Cold War US military — is of course the poster-child for my restrained model of thinking, and it should be noted it did not come “naturally” to the US military, but rather was imposed as a consequence of prior failures.
So you are against organic airpower for the marines? How about USN CV? Ask any marine pilot and he will say that he fights for his fellow marines on the ground. how is it luxury? Air power, in this perticual case USMC aviation is an enabler. If they didn’t have it USN or USAF would be forced to do the same thing or they would not do any amphib landings at all. Same money from the same pocket going to the (almost) same people. Other countries would also get marine air if they had the money for it. ie UK with so called “tailored” airgoups. Well they used to anyway, but getting it back soon. Still even now with the whole sequestration mess USA still has so much more money to spend on their armed forces.
But I agree with you on some stuff like dropping the STOVL requirement. But getting the F-119 would rock the boat for the holy F-22, which ironicaly didn’t make it anyway.
\Dan
You mean that the international aspects of the JSF program were designed to strip the last remnants of self-sufficiency from European and other allied nations to ensure their ongoing fealty to Washington? Yeah, we already knew that.
Do you really believe the US was NOT calling the shots? The whole tier level partnering thing sounds as plausible as concurrency! π
\Dan
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Knowing what we know now, how would you ave run the JSF program differently?
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USAF was trying to do what USN did with the F-4 during the 60’s; Force the other to use their plane. Then some pencil pushers thought they were smart and tried to make it better with **** ideas like “concurrency”. USN never really wanted the F-35. They have been fighting it al along, in their own internal pentagon way. Pushing back the acquisition etc to a point where ppl are now asking wouldn’t it be better to give our C’s to the marines who already are using the B’s and make new plane just for us.. anyway getting off-topic.
IMHO cramming so many different missions into a single air frame is really shooting yourself in the foot. The F-35 suffers from STOVL imposed limitations. A and B versions have the least number of differentiating requirements so they naturally look alike. If anything should be joint it should only be the subsystems like radar, radios, mission computer, electronic warfare systems etc. Distinctly different missions should get distinctly different platforms. Perhaps the C would have an empanage like the F-18.
\Dan
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Similarly I wouldn’t have bothered with a Harrier replacement. USMC doesn’t need its own fixed air. As for the Europeans, they can look after themselves. America first!
This statement clearly shows your depth and knowledge about strategy and tactics, or even how strategical political alliances affect the world.
What is the best color?
Red
Green
Blue
Purple
OrangeI pick Green because there are so many shades, and lime colored cars can be bought at the lowest price………. But Red is obviously been upgraded recently with the addition of such shades as “lust” “oxblood”.
-Sarcasm off-
Rofl
Sweden:
Sk 60 (SAAB 105) -> JAS 39 Gripen.
For some time now Swedish Air Force use only jet training. The reasoning is that it would be just a waste of time and money to re-educate prospective pilots in jet operations since the screening and selection process was so rigorous that they could cherry pick the best and there was/would be very seldom any drop outs. It’s only a handful of new pilots each year. Maybe a dussin max.
IMHO this seems to be the ideal way for a smaller sized air force. Hardly suitable for large numbers of new recruits. Like USAF, or countries like Germany, UK, France etc.
If true, it would still mean a planned increase of combat coded squadrons by roughly 50%. And as F-5 squadrons would be replaced by true combat planes, their training role would then have to be performed by additional new trainer planes, no?
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Well the situation came about with the delays to the F-35 and in combination with waiting for whatever USAF T-X will produce. Offcourse the chronical lack of funds doesn’t help. In short it’s more like the squadrons will regain their combat status compared with “increasing combat strength by 50%”.
Su-35?