I remember getting into trouble for ….
…who’d given me a roasting “Told you”. π
rofl x2
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Here is a video to compare it too. MiG-29 Strafing run at 0:20
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Thanks for the link. Looking at that muzzle flash it sure explains how it could be percived as offplaced. 1 mystery cleared π
I’m sure there are people that will cry it’s fake, but it sure is convincing to me.
It looks convincing but this is what makes me unsure:
1. Shouldn’t the Mig-29 fly faster? This beeing a warzone, shouldn’t the pilot fly faster for better survivability vs whatever AAA would be present? -> Filmed @ when not making a strafing run.
2. Shouldn’t the center of the flash be centered around the gun port, which is pretty much aligned to the wing?
3. Shouldn’t the flash geometry be differently shaped than circular? Given the proximity to the fuselage/nose.
4. The gun flash (coloring and light) looks fabricated to me. Am I wrong? :S
The gun blast/flashs geomentry doesn’t look like what I presumed it would look like. Granted I realy dont know how it should look like in reality. But given the gun port location and proximity to the fuselage/nose I predjudisticaly presumed it would NOT be circular.
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Presumably the same humans who made the mistake obligatory is referring to? I don’t know the details but its better than carpet bombing either way you cut it and certainly better than Fuel Air explosives in urban areas.
Exactly. Hence
Not when faced with modern multi-spectral reconaissance sensors.
statement is rendered invalid. Which I belive obligatory was trying to point out. You could have more and different sensors but you still need to interpet and classify your information. Misstakes are still going to be made.
It’s on another site
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/comments/1n8z6f/what_are_the_new_aircraft_carriers_going_to_be/ccgz1cw
What!? No!:very_drunk: Seriously, any energy you put into his arguments is a wasted effort. /ignore ftw
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Are we even sure it is a restriction…
quote from seytanelkebir: [But their armament is limited to…]
I interpet this as a restriction as opposed to “…supplied with.” Althought this could be seytanelkebir’s interpretation.
….so the UAE bought Mirage 2000-9 & Black Shaheen from France.
I specificaly was refering to the Typhoon but at that moment didn’t think of ASRAAM or Meteor. Well nvm π
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Are those the same multi-spectral sensors being used to blow up breast-feeding mothers in Afghanistan & Pakistan ?
Sad but true. Serbians effectively used logs to silmulate tanks in the bosnian war. In the end there will always be a human in the loop to decide what is a target and what isn’t.
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But their armament is limited to Aim-9M / AiM-7M / LGBs no AMRAAM AiM-9X JDAM etc…
Due to the above issue with armaments Iraq is looking to supplant it with a better fighter. They had evaluated the Typhoon, JF-17s and MiG35s as I know.
Why no AMRAAMs or AIM-9X’s? Even if Iraq gets the Typhoon how does that change the AMRAAM & AIM-9 restrictions? Seems illogical that the americans would put such a restriction just so the europeans could sell more aircrafts.
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…to my knowledge there has been no development or research on turbojets for the last 30 years, or has there ?
Is there any modern turbojet around suited ?
Not that I know off either. Just like Yama said the P&W F119 would be close. But IMO a variable cycle engine seems more suitable like the GE YF120. I can’t remember why the F119 won though. Perhaps ADVENT and/or AEDT programs (same sh+t different names) could yield somethin usfull in the future. Targeted for the next gen bomber they are not putting much effort in thrust augumentation. I am also speculating that they dont want these programs to infringe on the F135 :dev2:
Air Force Magazine article from september 2012, last sentance reads: “We havenβt developed anything new since the F119 in the F-22.”
=> So nothing new in 20 years?
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…. When the rules of engagment allow BVR engagment, avionics and weapons become much more important.
Yes that is the real problem: “When the rules of engagment allow BVR engagment” Even if the F-22 and F-35 have awsome sensors and ESSM I doubt that BVR will be the norm. Visual id will still be required. Send in the smaller fighter to visual id the aircraft and then let F-22 shoot him down.
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Viggen … I think it still is the only Swedish ac to have gone up with the SR71 and succesfully obtained missile lock on.
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It was usually intercepted between Gotland and the Swedish coast. I heard that on at least one occasion the squadron that did the interecept got a postcard with a picture of a SR-71. The sender was anonymous and the only thing written on it was “congratulations”. π
from Wiki
Swedish Air Force fighter pilots, using the predictable patterns of SR-71 routine flights over the Baltic Sea, managed to lock their radar on the SR-71 on numerous occasions. Despite heavy jamming from the SR-71, target illumination was maintained by feeding target location from ground-based radars to the fire-control computer in the JA 37 Viggen interceptor.[61] The most common site for the lock-on to occur was the thin stretch of international airspace between Γland and Gotland that the SR-71 used on the return flight.
…….Contrary to popular thought it was a WVR combat involving some classy maneouvring by the F-15s and not a BVR combat.”
IRCC due to ROE.
Summary Assessment p.159
The surprise advantages of a small, supercruising fighter using passive avionics would represent a
much more dangerous threat ……*three times the effective force due to lower cost,
lower acquisition cost, lower operational cost, and lower training cost,
allowing a threefold increase of pilot/machine for the same buck
^^ I think many people are focusing on the WVR aspect to much and missing this perticular point. Since size of an aircraft is proportional to all kind of associated cost (aqusition, training, maintenance, operative) => smaller mean more numbers for the same money. As Stalin said: “quantity is a quality in it self” π
Also a point that many missinterpet is that BVR => LO => big aircraft. The largest contributor to radarcross section is shaping (90 degree corners), there there is also all the small hinges rivets etc on the surface. But what a lot of people (selectivly?) forget is that size also is a contributing factor. So a small size is still relevant to BVR sensing.
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So this might be something to expect in the future once 6th generation becomes common place (like in 2050)?
It would make pre-emptive strikes especially vicious – expect a 1967 type scenario every time.
Why wait? A supprise attaque should be a supprise. Not wait untill evryone is ready. π
…and the last gun kill was in 1999 (Ethiopian-Eritrean War) and before that probably Falklands War if you discount the A-10’s helicopter kills in Desert Storm. …
Wow it almost sounds like the 60’s ‘we don’t need any guns anymore since we are gonna kill bombers with missiles’ :P. Even though air to air engagements requiring guns have been few, guns are still relevant in ground support like in Afganistan. IMO all fighter should still retain guns for targets of opportunity. While GAU-8 Avenger is a nice anti tank weapon it would be overkill for a fighter. Maybe even M61 Vulcan with 750 rounds is to much… Anyway we should discuss this in another thread and not here.
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