Nice theory but complete bull!
I did a sim in january with a loss of all flight controls. We landed back onto 31L at JFK with no damage using back up only (A340-600). Just to prove it wasn’t a fluke the sim was reset and we did it again, also without damage. Since the Sioux City incident we tend to look into things like this to a greater degree. For example, prior to that incident Airbus operators used to look at flying in back up mode was just something you would have to do until you could reset enough systems to regain conventional control however nowadays we see flight in back up through to its conclusion.
One of the key things we were always grateful for was the handling. In many parts of the world (including the Channel Islands where I was based when flying these) the turboprops fly from the highlands and islands. The big jets tend to operate from nice inland or coastal flatlands where the weather is never too bad. The remote locations where these things tend to operate from are where you get 30 knot crosswinds in fog, etc and these aircraft are at best capable of Cat 2 without an autoland capability. In other words your first view of the airfield is out of the side window (because of the crosswind) seconds before touchdown (at 100′) but you must click out the autopilot and get used to the conditions in that time. Believe me, Cat3b with no decision height is 10 times easier than Cat 2 with no autoland.
The Saab always made life easier than some in these circumstances as it only used ailerons for roll control. The ATR (for example) also uses roll spoilers which are a pain in a strong crosswind as they tend to swing the nose into the crosswind at a point when you would be using the rudder to try to do the opposite. You could always tell an ATR pilot by their nervous twitch if the wind got a bit cross! The ironic thing was that a few years ago the Saabs I flew were replaced with… ATRs!
Likes:
1 – Definitely the coolest looking turboprop on the ramp. It may have been small but it looked the business.
2 – Although only semi-EFIS it had a pretty decent cockpit compared to other mid ’80-s designed turboprops.
3 – Envy from the company Shed pilots!
4 – Great FMS for something so small.
Dislikes:
1 – The cold feet in winter.
2 – The sheer complexity of the thing. The B757 and A340 are way easier to operate. At least it made it a great training ground for coping with the jets.
3 – Not being able to stand up straight while having a pee due to the cabin height and fuselage curvature.
No disrespect but frankly I don’t think it would appeal to anyone with the experience levels you would like. There are hundreds of zero experience frozen ATPL’s that will bite your hand off for their big start for next to nothing but they’ll be off in 6-12 months, lured by a 2 crew turboprop or regional jet. Those with experience are generally in long term employment with good prospects, lifestyle protected by scheduling agreements and looking forward to benefitting from adequate pension packages. What you are offering gives the promise of hours that won’t suit a family man, unsupported operation, etc but worst of all these jobs have a habit of dissappearing at the owners whim a year or so down the line. I for one wouldn’t give up my warm and cosy 4 engined jet job for that risk… unless you paid me a figure I could retire on if it went pear-shaped a year down the line. I’m sorry if this sounds a bit snotty, it’s not meant that way, it’s just that anyone in an airline position is likely to see it with those eyes.
…This was Pre 9/11 but Kendall always seem to use the jump/bench seat in the flight deck for an extra revenue passenger, and got the chance to do this. almost surreal with the Captain giving you a pair of David Clarke headsets so you could listen in and talk to them…
That reminds me…
That fold out jump seat was a pain to re-stow. It needed to be whacked into place to get its catch to engage. I had an RSI-style problem with my left hand for 4 years after I stopped flying the Saab because of this.
I flew them (340, not the 2000) for a couple of years a while back. Complex little bu99er. Pretty little thing with lots and lots of kit onboard. Your feet were too close to the outside skin of the aircraft and would get really cold in winter if you didn’t wear thermal socks. I used to think having the single toilet down the back was a pain until an ATP pilot told me that their toilet dumped its odours stright into the flightdeck!
Basic piloting rule of thumb for choosing aircraft types – if you can’t walk underneath it without ducking then the lifestyle and pay will suck. Has always worked for me.
What could be worse than that of a pilot with halitosis in the relatively small confines of a cockpit ??..a pilot with flatulence i suppose!!
You should try being on one of our 3 man crews returning from India. I was bed-ridden after my last trip to Delhi a few weeks ago and that wasn’t the first time. It is customary to increase the airflow rate in the flightdeck for a while after you’ve dropped one.
Funnily enough, one of the things that can cause you to incorrectly fail a test are these mouth washes!
While on this subject, I read a very interresting article a couple of years ago in a good quality magazine saying that foods high in poppyseed content such as muffins, bagels, etc can cause a drugs test failure due to the inability of these tests to tell them apart from opium. They ran tests and had people failing on scarily low consumption levels.
…What you are saying is that no suspect that has been arrested can be reported in the media, which has some terrible implications for the publics “right to know”. Im proud this country has a free press…
…but that same ‘free press’ thinks the publics ‘right to know’ involves feeding them stories that are not true. The facts here are that an unskilled airport worker (again) makes an unqualified incorrect opinion about an operating crew member. The ‘system’ then handles the situation in a totally unacceptable manner causing much embarassment to an innocent individual. He then goes through hell until his name can be cleared. Most importantly he NEVER ever broke any rules. However the ‘free press’ think that the public have a ‘right to know’ headlines such as ‘drunk pilot threatens innocent lives’, etc. Free press is a great theory that is generally mis-used and abused.
Thanks Steve, that is much appreciated.
On the subject of court action, the problem with trying to nail the gutter press is that they very carefully ensured that while discrediting to the best of their ability, they never actually said a name. Unfortunately, the industry is small enough that internally many people know who was involved so this person does not enjoy professional anonymity. You can’t claim that your name has been discredited if your name wasn’t actually mentioned! So the maddening thing is that once again the press get away scot free.
Well I’d like to know what the witch-hunters have to say now! I suppose it’s unlikely that an admittance of being wrong will materialise. Feel free to surprise me.
Just remember that this year alone 2 friends of mine have now had their lives and careers on the brink of being ruined by people jumping to the wrong conclusions. They have lost earnings through being grounded, have had strain on their marital position through concern over the future, not known how they will pay their mortgage for years to come, been incorrectly shamed in front of a plane full of passengers and unfortunately will always be known for this incident. I just hope that one day the witch-hunters don’t do the same to you.
…The BAC for aviation is 25% of the limit for driving. This limit was set because it is the lowest level at which reliable detection is possible. The limit was not set with reference to any perceptible degree of impairment that occurs at that BAC. Setting the limit at such a level accounts for the high number of false positives that have occurred…
20 pro mille (25% of the driving limit) was also chosen as the base line due to the fact that the body produces alcohol as part of its natural processes. Even someone who has never touched a drop of alcohol would not show a 0 blood alcohol count.
On a different note, our agreement with the company is that after any random drink or drugs test we have the option to stand down from duty regardless of the result of the test. I have never known anyone choose to operate afterwards.
MAN-LCA certainly isnt a short haul route!
I think most of us consider it is short haul. i consider Lagos, New York, Dubai, etc to be medium haul and Delhi, Miami, etc to be long haul.
Lets hope the irresponsible imbecile loses his job
Steve, I frankly don’t know what’s up with you these days. You used to make really good posts on a variety of subjects but nowadays you seem to jump to the worst conclusions based on the atrocious evidence presented by the media. If this is your true viewpoint I can only pray that you are never called for jury service or whatever the equivalent is in Australia.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to remember the last time a Virgin pilot was branded across the media as reporting for duty when drunk. I don’t suppose you bothered to find out that he was completely and utterly innocent did you Steve. He had been on a diet that causes a change to the odour in your breath, exactly the same as can happen to diabetics when suffering from over/under (can’t remember which) their normal blood sugar level. Funny that, exoneration from blame doesn’t make the headlines. In the meantime people with your witch hunt viewpoints ruin careers.
I know the individual in question and will not post certain details at the moment due to the sensitivity of the situation.
VERY ANGRY
(edited 2-11-07 to change epileptic to diabetic)