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  • in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion Thread Part II #2038399
    Jeff
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    …construction has been going on so long all the technology for this project is outdated before she ever gets out to sea.

    Just like their latest frigate, Yaroslav Mudry. That flucking thing is brand new, but it looks thirty years old.

    Russian shipyards really need to get their sh1t together.

    in reply to: U.S. Ready to Respond to N.Korea Missile #1819028
    Jeff
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    I don’t care if it is a satellite. If they fly their crappy rocket over Japanese airspace, endangering the lives of people on the ground then it should be shot down.

    The Japanese make great cars, cool robots and the very best consumer electronics in the world. I’d hate to see anything bad happen to them.
    What if this thing falls on top of the Sony factory?:eek:

    Jeff
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    Then don’t be surprised if something bigger, like a supertanker, ran the Impeccable over next time it goes anywhere near China and the Chinese read the Impeccable’s statement right back at you.

    If it was something bigger you can be sure the Captain of the Impeccable would get the hell outta the way of the larger ship in order to protect the ship and it’s crew. Wouldn’t you?

    Looks like there are rules governing the right of way at sea
    Here’s a bit of info

    The International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea, or for short (IRPCS). The general rule is that less manoeuvrable craft have priority over a more manoeuvrable craft.

    Below are some taster IRPCS rules that would apply smaller watercraft; Sailboats have right of way over powered vessel in almost all cases, because the wind dictates their direction. This is not true for overtaking powered vessels.

    Fishing vessels always have right of way regardless of their relative position. Could this be why they used trawlers? All vessels fishing with nets, lines or trawls count as fishing vessels. Steer well clear of all fishing vessels.

    In overtaking and passing situations, the craft being passed has right of way. The craft doing the overtaking is required to stay clear. Generally, you should not pass on the starboard (right hand) side. If at all possible you should let the craft being passed know you are there.

    International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea

    Jeff
    Participant

    There is nothing in maritime law about who has right of way in the open oceans.

    I’m not sure if that’s true.
    Can you provide a source?

    If I was the Captain of a puny lil’ trawler I think I’d yield the right of way to the larger ship.

    If I was the Captain of the USNS Impeccable I would have rammed the smaller vessel, claimed it was an accident and say something like “Hey, that’s the sort of thing that happens when you act recklessly at sea.”;)

    Jeff
    Participant

    posters ,
    as we can see this is proof of good (or should say useless) American education is which is propaganda based , no wonders USA is going to fall like Rome in a matter of time as former comptroller General David Walker stated …

    Garry, buddy, how ya doin’?;)
    Dude, did ya get a furlough from Ngawhatu or what?:confused:
    It’s good to have you back, man. I’ve always enjoyed reading your insane ramblings, they’re very amusing. 🙂
    Welcome back, dude!:D

    Lookin’ forward to hearin’ from ya:cool:

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2041594
    Jeff
    Participant

    Fascinating. Would you care to critique it then perhaps.

    I think you guys should build three carriers comparable to the Ford-class.;)
    I also think y’all should be able to own firearms and go fox hunting, but that’s just me.

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2041637
    Jeff
    Participant

    Ahh the careful study of the UK Carrier Strike requirement lead you to this conclusion has it?.:cool:

    Yes.:p

    in reply to: Military Aviation News from around the world #2448009
    Jeff
    Participant

    United Kingdom: F-35 or F-22?

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    Should Britain ask the United States for the F-22?

    08:38 GMT, February 24, 2009 The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is designed to defeat threats that will have been superceded well before this aircraft enters operational service. The performance of the F-35 is suffering seriously from the conflicting design requirements that it was intended to meet. As a result, the F-35 is shaping up to be a technological failure, a delivery schedule and ‘affordability’ failure, and a techno-strategic failure. This will place Britain in the position of having to look at replacement options, which are extremely limited in view of developing threat capabilities. The question that must inevitably arise is: ‘Should Britain Ask the United States for the F-22?’

    Britain remains the largest single overseas partner in the F-35 program, and as this program unravels, Britain stands to lose much more than the other partner nations in a sunk investment not producing any direct return, and in political embarrassment. From a political perspective, America needs to start thinking about what alternatives it can offer the British as credible substitutes for the uncompetitive and technically troubled F-35. The F-16E, F/A-18E/F and F-15E/SG do not qualify as credible substitutes given the proliferation of high technology Russian designed Flanker fighters and double digit SAMs on the global stage. None of these types can survive in such an environment.

    Britain’s intent to procure the expensive and underperforming F-35 for the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy has produced intensive domestic criticism, some well informed and technically correct, some less so. What is clear however is that Britain does need new technology fighters to replace a range of increasingly less viable legacy aircraft, as well as the Royal Navy’s now retired Sea Harriers.

    About a decade ago the F-22A Raptor was proposed as an alternative to the domestically built Eurofighter Typhoon. Britain’s influential aerospace industry lobby killed that proposal, rubbishing the F-22 with some very dubious DERA JOUST simulations, which claimed the Typhoon was 81 percent as good as an F-22. Forensic analysis showed this was nonsense, an assessment since then borne out by the operational experience of the US Air Force flying the F-22 against a range of conventional fighters.

    Current planning for the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy is to procure the F-35B STOVL JSF as a replacement for the RAF Harrier GR.7/9 fleet, the Jaguar GR.3, retired in 2007, and the Royal Navy Sea Harrier FA.2, retired in 2006. Cited numbers vary between 150 and 138 aircraft, although reports emerging from the UK late last year suggested a reduction to as few as 85 aircraft. This is a far cry from the euphoric speculation of early 2002, when senior RAF staff officers privately suggested to their Canberra colleagues that the RAF should be replacing its remaining Panavia Tornado GR.4s, Tornado F.3s, and earlier built Typhoons, with the F-35A JSF.

    Over the next two decades Britain will need to replace most if not all of its combat aircraft with credible new technology replacements. The only new fighter in the UK inventory is the Typhoon F.2, which is technologically comparable to currently built American F-15 and F/A-18E/F fighters. While more agile than these legacy US fighters, it is equally vulnerable to advanced SA-20/21/23 Surface to Air Missile systems, and new generation Su-35BM class Flanker variants. The new ramjet MBDA Meteor Air to Air Missile may eventually provide a credible capability against older Flanker variants, but will be matched over the next decade by the Russian ramjet Vympel RVV-AE-PD missile. The Typhoon has been justifiably criticised for program procurement costs which have been similar in magnitude to the vastly better F-22 Raptor.

    Britain’s long term strategic needs have been the focus of much of the criticism directed at re-equipment plans for the UK fighter fleet. Sadly much of this criticism has been myopic, concentrated on short term considerations relating to Counter INsurgency Operations (COIN) in the Islamic world. In this respect Britain has suffered from the same nonsensical very short term argument seen in the United States, and Australia.

    There is little doubt that over the long term Britain will need to provide some credible expeditionary capabilities to support coalition operations on the global stage. While another Falklands scenario is unlikely, given the loss of Britain’s overseas colonies, the need to intervene globally is unlikely to vanish. If future UK governments intend to contribute capabilities of any real use, they will need systems which are effective and survivable against the modern Russian high technology systems proliferating globally, and also interoperable with other coalition assets. Systems which soak up US forces as protective escorts to stay alive are more of a hindrance in a coalition campaign, than a contribution of value.

    What should be of more concern to Britons are the increasingly toxic relationships between Putin’s Russia and the many former Soviet Republics, and former Warsaw Pact allies in Eastern Europe. Putin’s confrontational and coercive foreign policy and military interventions along Russia’s exposed Western and South Western borders have fuelled mistrust and resentment in nations which were already largely resentful over Soviet era misdeeds. The expansion of NATO eastward has been a by-product of this progressive breakdown – not vice versa as is often claimed. Russians feel exposed without hundreds of kilometre deep buffer territories and this perceived vulnerability with its resulting fears will not disappear any time soon.

    While Putin’s Russia will never be another Soviet Union, Russia is slowly recapitalising its Cold War era military with advanced systems, and will have a genuine capability to project coercive air power against European NATO nations. If any of the myriad ongoing disputes between Russia and its now NATO aligned neighbours degrade into shooting conflicts, the Russians will be able to drop smart bombs across much of Eastern Europe, unless the US Air Force deploys most if not all of its F-22 Raptors into European NATO airfields. Moreover, as Russia builds up numbers of the SA-21, it will be able to declare and effectively enforce permanent air exclusion zones up to 200 nautical miles outside its geographical borders – a Surface-to-Air-Missile-based buffer zone that would appeal to Russian fears of being subjected to attack by cruise missiles and conventional aircraft.

    European NATO nations can look forward to the prospect of Moscow not only turning off the gas supply, but also exercising military muscle in NATO’s backyard. The expectation that the Americans will permanently commit their already overcommitted future F-22 fleet to cover for European military underinvestment is clearly asking a little too much and, at best, fanciful thinking.

    It is worth observing that the character of developing Russian capabilities is very different from the Cold War era Soviet model. Rather than the vast numbers of mostly unsophisticated shorter ranging dumb bomb armed tactical fighters the Soviets deployed, Russia is emulating the US model of smaller numbers of highly sophisticated high technology long range aircraft armed with precision smart weapons. Large numbers of low performance fighters, including the F-35, are virtually useless against Russia’s new generation Su-34 and Su-35BM fighters.

    While the broader issues of European NATO security are bigger than Britain’s needs alone, they underscore the realities of an uncertain future in a complex multipolar world.

    Technological evolution and poorly thought out specification/definition of the F-35 design has seen to it that by the time the F-35 would deploy, assuming it survives its engineering, cost and schedule problems, the F-35 will be wholly uncompetitive against the new generation of Russian designed weapons. That margin will grow as Russian and Chinese weapons evolve over the next three decades, while the overweight, underpowered, over-packed and under-stealthed F-35’s built in design limits make it increasingly outmatched.

    Whether Britain wishes to conduct expeditionary warfare in coalition or unilaterally, or participate in European NATO continental defence, its Eurofighter Typhoons and planned F-35 JSFs will likely be fodder for the latest Russian weapons, unless the opposing side is an undeveloped Third World nation. The prospect of Russian contractor (i.e. mercenary) aircrew, ground-crew and missileers being deployed to Third World nations with the available cash introduces uncertainties even in the latter circumstance. It has happened before.

    The wisest strategy for the United Kingdom is to negotiate access to the F-22A Raptor and bail out of the F-35 program at the earliest. An even wiser strategy is to collaborate with the Americans on the development of a navalised F/A-22N Sea Raptor, to drive down costs for the US Navy, Marine Corps and Royal Navy. The uncompetitive Typhoon can be relegated to air defence of the British Isles, and F-22A and F/A-22N used for expeditionary warfare and NATO air defence commitments on the continent.

    While much has been said and written about not exporting the F-22 to US allies, what is less well known is that two studies have been done to determine exportability of the F-22.

    The first of these is the public unclassified geostrategic and political assessment performed by then LtCol Matthew Molloy, USAF, who produced a 98 page study while posted to the Maxwell AFB School of Advanced Air Power Studies of the Air University, in 1999-2000. This document identifies Australia, Britain and Canada as the three US allies who can be trusted without question to operate the F-22 and protect its technology [1] .

    Less well known is a more detailed and not publicly released study performed by the US Air Force during the same period, often known as the “anti-tamper study”, which looked at risks arising from downed aircraft scenarios. The study also assessed the risks arising in exporting the aircraft to close allies, specifically Australia, which was known to have a developing strategic need for the F-22. The study concluded that it was safe to supply the very same configuration of the F-22 flown by the US Air Force to Australia, as the risks of unwanted technology disclosure were no different to those expected for the US Air Force.

    Considering both the Molloy study and the “anti-tamper” study, the notion that the Americans would not export some configuration of the F-22 to the United Kingdom is difficult to accept.

    The problems, which the Britons must confront at a strategic level arising from Russia’s devolving relationships with its neighbours, and the ongoing demand for global intervention forces, are problems to a greater or lesser degree shared by other leading European NATO nations. The difficulties arising from involvement in the ill considered F-35 program are also shared by a number of other European NATO nations, as well as the United Kingdom.

    The unavoidable strategic reality is the European NATO nations will need a credible capability to discourage adventurous future Russian behaviour in Eastern Europe, and to make a useful difference in expeditionary warfare. None of the indigenous European fighters, or the F-35, will be particularly useful in either kind of contingency. Two to three full strength Fighter Wings comprising 50 to 70 F-22 Raptors each would provide enough deterrent capability and sustainable / survivable firepower to address Europe’s needs for decades to come.

    While the NATO AWACS fleet model of a shared resource would be a politically attractive way for Europe to deploy an export configuration of the F-22, it would present practical operational problems.

    The United States needs to think long and hard about how to redress Europe’s worsening strategic weakness, as it has the potential to soak up disproportionate US military resources in any serious contingency. Exporting a variant of the F-22 rather than the uncompetitive F-35 would solve much of that problem.

    With the long term future of the F-22 now the subject of intensive political, public and analytical community debate in America, and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter now showing the symptoms of an incipient technological “death spiral”, the time is right for the Obama Administration and H.M. Government to jointly explore the export of F-22 Raptor variants for the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy, as an “escape strategy” from the F-35 program.

    There is a good precedent: when it became clear that the Nimrod AEW.3 could not be made to work in a reasonable timescale and cost, H.M. Government cut its losses, dumped the program and promptly acquired the top tier Boeing E-3D AWACS instead.

    The basic strategic challenges both America and Britain face are much the same, whether we consider European NATO contingencies, or expeditionary warfare. The Alliance relationship is as close as it has ever been. All that is needed is the political courage and strategic foresight to make a break from the past, well intentioned but fundamentally flawed, choice of the F-35.

    http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/253/

    Footnote:
    [1] Matthew H. Molloy, Lt Col, USAF , U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT FOR SALE: CRAFTING AN F-22 EXPORT POLICY, SCHOOL OF ADVANCED AIRPOWER STUDIES , AIR UNIVERSITY, MAXWELL AIR FORCE BASE, ALABAMA, JUNE 2000, URL: https://research.maxwell.af.mil/papers/ay2000/saas/molloy.pdf.

    :rolleyes:

    If the F-35 sucks so bad why doesn’t Britain, Australia and Japan team up and develop their own Raptor-like fighter?
    I think they definitely have the ability to do it and together they should be able to come up with the ducats required to finance such a project. It appears as though the only thing they lack is the political will and the testicular fortitude to move forward.:(

    in reply to: Military Aviation News from around the world #2448451
    Jeff
    Participant

    United Kingdom: F-35 or F-22?

    http://www.defpro.com/data/gfx/news/ec8a093ae4cd7502542e5a2a8a245c0d3d54ae22_big.jpg
    Should Britain ask the United States for the F-22?

    08:38 GMT, February 24, 2009 The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is designed to defeat threats that will have been superceded well before this aircraft enters operational service. The performance of the F-35 is suffering seriously from the conflicting design requirements that it was intended to meet. As a result, the F-35 is shaping up to be a technological failure, a delivery schedule and ‘affordability’ failure, and a techno-strategic failure. This will place Britain in the position of having to look at replacement options, which are extremely limited in view of developing threat capabilities. The question that must inevitably arise is: ‘Should Britain Ask the United States for the F-22?’

    Britain remains the largest single overseas partner in the F-35 program, and as this program unravels, Britain stands to lose much more than the other partner nations in a sunk investment not producing any direct return, and in political embarrassment. From a political perspective, America needs to start thinking about what alternatives it can offer the British as credible substitutes for the uncompetitive and technically troubled F-35. The F-16E, F/A-18E/F and F-15E/SG do not qualify as credible substitutes given the proliferation of high technology Russian designed Flanker fighters and double digit SAMs on the global stage. None of these types can survive in such an environment.

    Britain’s intent to procure the expensive and underperforming F-35 for the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy has produced intensive domestic criticism, some well informed and technically correct, some less so. What is clear however is that Britain does need new technology fighters to replace a range of increasingly less viable legacy aircraft, as well as the Royal Navy’s now retired Sea Harriers.

    About a decade ago the F-22A Raptor was proposed as an alternative to the domestically built Eurofighter Typhoon. Britain’s influential aerospace industry lobby killed that proposal, rubbishing the F-22 with some very dubious DERA JOUST simulations, which claimed the Typhoon was 81 percent as good as an F-22. Forensic analysis showed this was nonsense, an assessment since then borne out by the operational experience of the US Air Force flying the F-22 against a range of conventional fighters.

    Current planning for the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy is to procure the F-35B STOVL JSF as a replacement for the RAF Harrier GR.7/9 fleet, the Jaguar GR.3, retired in 2007, and the Royal Navy Sea Harrier FA.2, retired in 2006. Cited numbers vary between 150 and 138 aircraft, although reports emerging from the UK late last year suggested a reduction to as few as 85 aircraft. This is a far cry from the euphoric speculation of early 2002, when senior RAF staff officers privately suggested to their Canberra colleagues that the RAF should be replacing its remaining Panavia Tornado GR.4s, Tornado F.3s, and earlier built Typhoons, with the F-35A JSF.

    Over the next two decades Britain will need to replace most if not all of its combat aircraft with credible new technology replacements. The only new fighter in the UK inventory is the Typhoon F.2, which is technologically comparable to currently built American F-15 and F/A-18E/F fighters. While more agile than these legacy US fighters, it is equally vulnerable to advanced SA-20/21/23 Surface to Air Missile systems, and new generation Su-35BM class Flanker variants. The new ramjet MBDA Meteor Air to Air Missile may eventually provide a credible capability against older Flanker variants, but will be matched over the next decade by the Russian ramjet Vympel RVV-AE-PD missile. The Typhoon has been justifiably criticised for program procurement costs which have been similar in magnitude to the vastly better F-22 Raptor.

    Britain’s long term strategic needs have been the focus of much of the criticism directed at re-equipment plans for the UK fighter fleet. Sadly much of this criticism has been myopic, concentrated on short term considerations relating to Counter INsurgency Operations (COIN) in the Islamic world. In this respect Britain has suffered from the same nonsensical very short term argument seen in the United States, and Australia.

    There is little doubt that over the long term Britain will need to provide some credible expeditionary capabilities to support coalition operations on the global stage. While another Falklands scenario is unlikely, given the loss of Britain’s overseas colonies, the need to intervene globally is unlikely to vanish. If future UK governments intend to contribute capabilities of any real use, they will need systems which are effective and survivable against the modern Russian high technology systems proliferating globally, and also interoperable with other coalition assets. Systems which soak up US forces as protective escorts to stay alive are more of a hindrance in a coalition campaign, than a contribution of value.

    What should be of more concern to Britons are the increasingly toxic relationships between Putin’s Russia and the many former Soviet Republics, and former Warsaw Pact allies in Eastern Europe. Putin’s confrontational and coercive foreign policy and military interventions along Russia’s exposed Western and South Western borders have fuelled mistrust and resentment in nations which were already largely resentful over Soviet era misdeeds. The expansion of NATO eastward has been a by-product of this progressive breakdown – not vice versa as is often claimed. Russians feel exposed without hundreds of kilometre deep buffer territories and this perceived vulnerability with its resulting fears will not disappear any time soon.

    While Putin’s Russia will never be another Soviet Union, Russia is slowly recapitalising its Cold War era military with advanced systems, and will have a genuine capability to project coercive air power against European NATO nations. If any of the myriad ongoing disputes between Russia and its now NATO aligned neighbours degrade into shooting conflicts, the Russians will be able to drop smart bombs across much of Eastern Europe, unless the US Air Force deploys most if not all of its F-22 Raptors into European NATO airfields. Moreover, as Russia builds up numbers of the SA-21, it will be able to declare and effectively enforce permanent air exclusion zones up to 200 nautical miles outside its geographical borders – a Surface-to-Air-Missile-based buffer zone that would appeal to Russian fears of being subjected to attack by cruise missiles and conventional aircraft.

    European NATO nations can look forward to the prospect of Moscow not only turning off the gas supply, but also exercising military muscle in NATO’s backyard. The expectation that the Americans will permanently commit their already overcommitted future F-22 fleet to cover for European military underinvestment is clearly asking a little too much and, at best, fanciful thinking.

    It is worth observing that the character of developing Russian capabilities is very different from the Cold War era Soviet model. Rather than the vast numbers of mostly unsophisticated shorter ranging dumb bomb armed tactical fighters the Soviets deployed, Russia is emulating the US model of smaller numbers of highly sophisticated high technology long range aircraft armed with precision smart weapons. Large numbers of low performance fighters, including the F-35, are virtually useless against Russia’s new generation Su-34 and Su-35BM fighters.

    While the broader issues of European NATO security are bigger than Britain’s needs alone, they underscore the realities of an uncertain future in a complex multipolar world.

    Technological evolution and poorly thought out specification/definition of the F-35 design has seen to it that by the time the F-35 would deploy, assuming it survives its engineering, cost and schedule problems, the F-35 will be wholly uncompetitive against the new generation of Russian designed weapons. That margin will grow as Russian and Chinese weapons evolve over the next three decades, while the overweight, underpowered, over-packed and under-stealthed F-35’s built in design limits make it increasingly outmatched.

    Whether Britain wishes to conduct expeditionary warfare in coalition or unilaterally, or participate in European NATO continental defence, its Eurofighter Typhoons and planned F-35 JSFs will likely be fodder for the latest Russian weapons, unless the opposing side is an undeveloped Third World nation. The prospect of Russian contractor (i.e. mercenary) aircrew, ground-crew and missileers being deployed to Third World nations with the available cash introduces uncertainties even in the latter circumstance. It has happened before.

    The wisest strategy for the United Kingdom is to negotiate access to the F-22A Raptor and bail out of the F-35 program at the earliest. An even wiser strategy is to collaborate with the Americans on the development of a navalised F/A-22N Sea Raptor, to drive down costs for the US Navy, Marine Corps and Royal Navy. The uncompetitive Typhoon can be relegated to air defence of the British Isles, and F-22A and F/A-22N used for expeditionary warfare and NATO air defence commitments on the continent.

    While much has been said and written about not exporting the F-22 to US allies, what is less well known is that two studies have been done to determine exportability of the F-22.

    The first of these is the public unclassified geostrategic and political assessment performed by then LtCol Matthew Molloy, USAF, who produced a 98 page study while posted to the Maxwell AFB School of Advanced Air Power Studies of the Air University, in 1999-2000. This document identifies Australia, Britain and Canada as the three US allies who can be trusted without question to operate the F-22 and protect its technology [1] .

    Less well known is a more detailed and not publicly released study performed by the US Air Force during the same period, often known as the “anti-tamper study”, which looked at risks arising from downed aircraft scenarios. The study also assessed the risks arising in exporting the aircraft to close allies, specifically Australia, which was known to have a developing strategic need for the F-22. The study concluded that it was safe to supply the very same configuration of the F-22 flown by the US Air Force to Australia, as the risks of unwanted technology disclosure were no different to those expected for the US Air Force.

    Considering both the Molloy study and the “anti-tamper” study, the notion that the Americans would not export some configuration of the F-22 to the United Kingdom is difficult to accept.

    The problems, which the Britons must confront at a strategic level arising from Russia’s devolving relationships with its neighbours, and the ongoing demand for global intervention forces, are problems to a greater or lesser degree shared by other leading European NATO nations. The difficulties arising from involvement in the ill considered F-35 program are also shared by a number of other European NATO nations, as well as the United Kingdom.

    The unavoidable strategic reality is the European NATO nations will need a credible capability to discourage adventurous future Russian behaviour in Eastern Europe, and to make a useful difference in expeditionary warfare. None of the indigenous European fighters, or the F-35, will be particularly useful in either kind of contingency. Two to three full strength Fighter Wings comprising 50 to 70 F-22 Raptors each would provide enough deterrent capability and sustainable / survivable firepower to address Europe’s needs for decades to come.

    While the NATO AWACS fleet model of a shared resource would be a politically attractive way for Europe to deploy an export configuration of the F-22, it would present practical operational problems.

    The United States needs to think long and hard about how to redress Europe’s worsening strategic weakness, as it has the potential to soak up disproportionate US military resources in any serious contingency. Exporting a variant of the F-22 rather than the uncompetitive F-35 would solve much of that problem.

    With the long term future of the F-22 now the subject of intensive political, public and analytical community debate in America, and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter now showing the symptoms of an incipient technological “death spiral”, the time is right for the Obama Administration and H.M. Government to jointly explore the export of F-22 Raptor variants for the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy, as an “escape strategy” from the F-35 program.

    There is a good precedent: when it became clear that the Nimrod AEW.3 could not be made to work in a reasonable timescale and cost, H.M. Government cut its losses, dumped the program and promptly acquired the top tier Boeing E-3D AWACS instead.

    The basic strategic challenges both America and Britain face are much the same, whether we consider European NATO contingencies, or expeditionary warfare. The Alliance relationship is as close as it has ever been. All that is needed is the political courage and strategic foresight to make a break from the past, well intentioned but fundamentally flawed, choice of the F-35.

    http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/253/

    Footnote:
    [1] Matthew H. Molloy, Lt Col, USAF , U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT FOR SALE: CRAFTING AN F-22 EXPORT POLICY, SCHOOL OF ADVANCED AIRPOWER STUDIES , AIR UNIVERSITY, MAXWELL AIR FORCE BASE, ALABAMA, JUNE 2000, URL: https://research.maxwell.af.mil/papers/ay2000/saas/molloy.pdf.

    :rolleyes:

    If the F-35 sucks so bad why doesn’t Britain, Australia and Japan team up and develop their own Raptor-like fighter?
    I think they definitely have the ability to do it and together they should be able to come up with the ducats required to finance such a project. It appears as though the only thing they lack is the political will and the testicular fortitude to move forward.:(

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2041656
    Jeff
    Participant

    Well, if you really believe that. I guess the UK is pretty dump because they plan on buying the F-35B for its future Carriers.

    Not dumb, just cheap.
    They’re too cheap to fit catapults and buy the F-35C. :rolleyes:

    Jeff
    Participant

    funny all these pro america lovers , they all cover up for USA ,

    the projects like LCA have been ruined because of US meddling in tech transfers and giving problems and not selling GE 404 engines for LCA ,

    this has inevitably delayed the LCA for 20 years,according to DRDO scientists

    we Indians don’t need american crap , there are too many political strings attached to it ,

    prefer french or russian aircraft and preferably the LCA albeit with AESA(maybe Zhuk AESA or french AESA/PESA could be imported for that, till india does not have indigenous PESA/AESA) , DRDO needs money for development of new projects ,

    I do expect that in the coming future , as well betterment of chinese relations with India , pakistan will turn into a failed state , sending insurgents into the Xinjiang Region(which pakistan is already doing and is angering China)

    recently China denied loan to Pakistan , and Pakistan turned to IMF ,

    god, the level of nonsense in your posts

    so 2300….
    then 1000….
    now already 729 ( as it said )…..
    You could easy find the contradactions dear Bravo.
    Moreover today in the Russain archives was opened the datas of loses of the both China’s and N.Koreans Mig-15 – 231 only was shot down by the UN airforces.
    So you could calculate the total loses of Mig-15 in Korea- 335+231 = 566 (!!!)
    So as could you see american datas could be easy refuted by the Russian archive datas.
    So where is true?
    lonevolk , don’t waste your time argueing with americans , their education is propaganda based , no wonders their nation is collapsing , sooner or later USA will become third world nation , as the very famous trend forecaster Gerald Celente predicted , also according to Peter Schiff , US currency will have hyperinflation like Zimbabwean currency by 2012-2014

    Scooter

    lol, Russia was responsible for 85% of the losses of the German wehramcht ..and the Lend lease only consisted of 10% of total soviet wartime production

    acc. to Hitler’s Nemesis” by Walter S. Dunn Jr, . OVERWHELMING amount of supply, reached Soviets only after battle of Stalingrad. Even WITHOUT ANY LENDLEASE Soviet industry out produced Germans by HUGE margin. Book stated that Soviets could win the Germans WITHOUT any help from outside, and second front.
    David Glantz (“When Titans Clashed,”) seems to feel that lend-lease was not the linchpin to eventual Soviet success. It wasn’t Lend-Lease that undertook the massive (and, frequently, nasty) effort to move entire plants east to keep wartime production going. Nor did it equip the Siberian divisions that turned the tide at the defense of Moscow

    Russia did determine her own destiny. She had already beaten the Germans during Op Typhoon, the last push on Moscow. The first Lend-Lease shipments of any value to the Russians did not arrive until well into ’42, after the danger of Russia immediately folding had passed., and lend lease became significant only after 1944
    Lend-lease helped the USSR to win the war faster, and with less casualties. Without Lend-lease they most likely still would have been on the winning side.

    Garry B!
    How ya doin’, buddy?;)

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode VII #2462979
    Jeff
    Participant

    Might want to figure out just where your pliers came from. A lot of the stuff labeled Made In China actually originates from Taiwan…

    I’ve found that most stuff made in Taiwan is labeled “Made in Taiwan” or “Republic of China.” I have some Stanley tools that are made in Taiwan and they’re excellent. I’m talkin’ about the low-buck crap that you’d find at Walmart. Most of that stuff is made in mainland China and it sucks.

    Also, who cares what they eat (anything Szechuan is good by me)? Koreans also eat certain breeds of dog, why is that relevant to anything? Most people around the globe eat purposely aborted chicken fetuses as well, including me…

    It’s not really relevant, I’m just sayin’…

    Most Chinese food is awesome, but you have admit some of that stuff they eat is thoroughly revolting.

    We’ve built McDonald’s restaurants on nearly every corner of the globe, there’s really no reason to eat cats and dogs. Why don’t they just have a cheeseburger or a fillet o’ fish instead?

    …where did Mad Cow tainted beef originate from again?

    The filthy British!;)

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode VII #2463029
    Jeff
    Participant

    If the quality of Chinese aircraft is anything like the quality of the sh!t they export to the United States then I’d have to agree with medal64. Most of the Chi-Com-produced stuff I’ve bought has been worthless crap. I once bought a pair of Chi-Com pliers that literally fell apart the first time I used them, and I’m sure most of you people have heard news about the toxicity of Chinese goods. That’s definitely not the kind of stuff that’s going to inspire a lot of confidence in quality, but I suspect the stuff they produce for their military is produced to a much higher standard since they possess all that is needed to do so. We just got to get them to stop eating cats and dogs and sh!t. Although, non-cat/dog Chinese food is awesome of course.;)

    in reply to: F-35B or F-35C for the Indian Navy #2045887
    Jeff
    Participant

    …I don’t believe for one second that one of the third will always be sitting in the docks.

    INS Vikramaditya probably will… :p

    …if it doesn’t end up under the sea.

    That thing is a white elephant

    in reply to: F-35B or F-35C for the Indian Navy #2046012
    Jeff
    Participant

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Indians tell the russians to fluck off, opt out of the “pak-fa” boondoggle and select the F-35 instead. This makes a lot of sense. The Lightning II is an actual aircraft that’s being produced NOW. The Indians could have a kick-ass, fifth-generation strike fighter in service a lot sooner than if they stick with the russians and their “pak-fa” pipe dream. It will probably cost a lot less too. And I’m sure the Indians are tired of dealing with the incompetence and shady business practices that seem to accompany every deal they make with the russians.

    F-35A’s for the IAF and F-35B’s for the IN would be great!;)

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