I maybe a bit daft for not having noticed this sooner, but it does appear to be remarkably similar to the one fitted in the Trident! I guess if that is so, it could equally be off something like a One Eleven 510ED?
Hi yes,
I have another picture of it from its owner:
They also say:
I have a Smiths Flight Control System (Kelvin & Hughes) altimeter, model KHE-0201W.
It has an 8-pin connector port on the back and 3 screened breathing holes. The front has a Kollsman window with millibars for pressure setting. There is an orange flag and a green “heading” type bug on it. One dial controls the pressure setting and the other adjusts the bug.
regards
Toby
For those who were convinced it was Shoreham, I probabyl should have mentioned, it has been used, twice I think. I’m not sure of any episode titles, but I think there is one where someone is murdered by a poison dart whilst flying on a DC-3 and I think that used Shoreham.
Given their desire to find 1930s buildings, they might well have used the interior of Shoreham’s terminal as something other than an airport, so that might explain at least one of those.
Well a bit more seaching has confirmed that it was MH434 but I dont think that was disputed. The tower was definitely a purposed built RAF type tower (I’m not precisely sure which one but it looked like one of the more substantial designs) so civvie fields like Shoreham are ruled out, but it still leaves a lot of places it could have been.
Given how long ago it was filmed, its not inconceivable that the location may no longer exist (or at least not in the same state). All I can remember was that the tower was painted white and there were some darker (possibly green or grey) buildings such as hangars immediately behind the towers.
Having visited ControlTowers.co.uk I note that there was a similar design of tower dating to 1936 which would have been more appropriate if the researchers are trying to get the period right. This tower was built at five stations including RAF Shawbury.
I didn’t see it, but Mrs Paul F did, and she said she thought some of the airport shots were filmed at Shoreham, as she recognised the art deco buildings?
Paul F
Definitely not Shoreham, I live nearby and saw that place everyday of my life for more than five years. The tower is atop an art deco terminal whereas the tower in the program was a standard RAF spec watchtower (albeit with possible additions), circa 1941/42.
I dont know if it was a Rover idea and if me old memory is correct they used to accelerate the engine(fixed pitch prop..too draggy) by running up Viv Bellamys 2 seat Spitfire in front of it.
I think the engine was a stationary gas turb akin to an aircraft APU and more developed versions flew in a Chipmunk and an Auster,i’m sure a bit of googling will get you some pics.
One of the reggies was G-ARRT i think
I strongly suspect that the Rover gas turbine in question would be related to the one used in automotive applications and also to the APU which I believe was used on the Avro Vulcan.
We used to have a sectioned Rover gas turbine at the university I last studied at. It had a centrifugal flow impeller, axial flow turbine and an axial flow free power turbine. In the case of the turboprop above it may either have the propeller on the same spool as the gas producer, either directly, or more likely with a reduction gearbox or may use the free power turbine to drive the propeller separately.
100%. I note you are an engineer and as such I’m sure you appreciate better than I do the link between the available technology at the time and the perfect solution. Perhaps this puts Barnes Wallis in context on reflection.
Quite true, given what was available back then, the bouncing bomb is an excellent solution. Of course these days, some sort of guided missile would do the job much better and probably be launched sufficiently far away as to avoid putting the launch aircraft in the direct line of fire.
Whittle’s early gas turbines are a good example. As well as being more robust, you can of course achieve a much higher pressure ratio from a single centrifugal stage than you can from an axial flow device and thus avoid the problems associated with multistaging or even going to multiple spools.
Of course sometimes you know what you would like to have but just dont have the ability to make it practicable. The Froude efficiency shows why its better to have a bypass turbofan than a pure turbojet for subsonic operations, but although that can be mathematically shown on half a page, making something that exhibits that and makes use of it is quite another thing. I dont know what the BPR on the Conway was but on the Spey it was only 0.64:1 compared to ~8:1 on something like an RB211!
Back to the matter in hand, does anyone have any thoughts on how easy it would have been to repair damaged sections of geodetic framework, compared to the repairs made on more conventional aerostructures?
Yes the geodetci construction was ported over from airships for which it was emininently suitable, especially the sort of size airships they were building back then.
I think that it was probably overtaken by other developments after the war, the need for pressurisation, developments in metallurgy and also other fixing methods such as redux bonding. If you can make something work by a simpler cheaper, lightere method, then that is the route that will be chosen.
Ingenious thoguh they were, it strikes me that a lot of Barnes Wallis’ inventions dont seem to have longevity, geodectic construction, bouncing bombs and even variable geometry (swinging) wings all seeming to have had their time. Compare this to Whittle’s jet engine or some of the aerodynamics developed by the likes of Prandtl.
Bruce,
Re the Trident situation, I keep an up-to-date list of all aircraft at http://www.hs121.org , click “HS 121 Trident” and then “Production list” on the left nav bar. Theres three fairly complete airframes in the UK in preservation, G-AVFE, ours (G-AWZK) and G-AWZM. Beyond that, theres a few noses and forward fuses in museums or private ownership and three fairly complete ones on fire dumps (G-AVFE, G-ARPO, G-AWZS). G-AVFJ is next up for scrapping I believe.
The Chinese are still preserving some. We got some news yesterday that the ones at Guangzhou/Baiyun are being moved:
http://photocdn.sohu.com/20060815/Img244809751.jpg
http://bbs.feeeco.com/upload/20060814/200608140917374110.jpg
Andrewman,
I like the idea of trying to keep the Vulcan on site come what may (housing/trading estate etc). Woodford may be here in years time, maybe in five years time but it wont be there forever, but it would be nice if an example of their best ever product (cue debate :dev2: ) was kept there as a lasting reminder. I would not be averse to it being mounted on stilts like the Sinsheim Concorde. That way the vandals wouldnt be able to grafitti it 😀 Theres a Hunter on a pole at former RNAS Ford near me and from a visual impact point of view it strikes me as a good way of displaying it… paints a bit tatty mind, but there are drawbacks to everything. 🙂
I dont think thats likely. I know its not far away, but you’ve still got the same problems that we have with the Trident, i.e. the cost and complexity of dismantling and reassembling (and all to certain safety standards). Theres no space for any more exhibits in the AVP and certainly no spare cash for such a project at the present time.
A source of mine suggested WFD was to be closed within 4 years but that was before all those new Nimrods were announced. That would certainly tally with the Vulcan being scrapped since it cant fly out and moving anything by road is difficult and expensive (trust me, I know about that :rolleyes: ). I hope this isnt the case, not just yet at least.
If WFD did close, that would leave presumably only Warton, Brough and whatever is at Prestwick? I assume that Filton and Hawarden are owned by Airbus UK now rather than BAE Systems?
This may be a strange (OH) thing to say, but to me his posture looks some what modern, especially the thumbs hooked into the pocket, his hair is collar length and seems to be long for the period.
The boots in the first shot don’t look right either !!!!
You’re right, but he just doesnt have that “jolly good show old chap, peak revs!” look about him that RAF pilots of that era had – smart well fitting clothes, heavily brylcreamed hair and stiff upper lips… looks more like some modern slovenly type posing next to a Spitfire in a museum. The proximity of the bushes behind him seems odd too since most aircraft were kept well out into the field, ready for action. Hunsdon and indeed most of that part of england is rather open and barren and it just doesnt add up.
Hmmm seems to be a bit of a military bias to this lot. Would our HS Trident 3B, G-AWZK count? 😀
More cunning than a fox thats recently been appointed professor of cunning at Oxford University.
I’ll stop now. 😀
Simple solution…
The easy way to get the secrets of Kenleys wartime past revealed is to give Tony Robinson and the Time Team a bell!
3 days over one weekend and Kenleys secret history will be secret no more.
That sounds like a cunning plan.
Sorry, but someone had to say it 😀