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  • in reply to: General Discussion #287343
    RpR
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    There’s a major flaw with statement. Jesus didn’t author one word of the bible. The entire book is hearsay. What you think is faith in god etc is really faith that a bunch of uneducated desert dwelling people knew what they were talking about. It’s obvious to anyone who was taught how to think instead of what to think that none of the claims in the book hold up in any way at all.

    Your flaw is that God made sure what ever was written down, despite man’s attempts to totally screw with it, carry the abstract of truth God wants.

    You simply cannot understand the concept of true faith, unless you have faith in mankind to not screw things up worse than they already are.

    Now that is a concept believed by uneducated people.

    in reply to: General Discussion #287362
    RpR
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    You may be right about the influence of the media; few gun-homicides in the United States (or anywhere else for that matter) make the news in the United Kingdom unless it is a school shooting-spree or involves somebody famous.

    When the second amendment was adopted in 1791 I don’t suppose there were many shooting-sprees; somebody may have tried but it would be very difficult with a flint-lock musket! Human nature may not have changed but the weapons certainly have.

    And maybe ‘normal’ human nature has changed; many of us now live in large anonymous cities where we don’t know our neighbours and are more likely to spend time conversing with somebody on the other side of the planet via the internet that talking to somebody in our own street. Maybe, under these circumstances, something fundamental has changed in human nature; maybe, under these circumstances, the ‘reasons’ for these shooting-sprees are more common?

    I would not call it change per se, rather humanity has peaks and valleys.

    When societies are at their most naive and apathetic, thinking such things as –no one would ever do x,y or z because people are basically good — reality slaps them in the face and shows that human nature may flux, but it does not ever actually change and part of it is always just plain nasty.

    in reply to: General Discussion #287366
    RpR
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    So you are quite happy that this psychopathic monster that you follow stands idly by while children are raped? That makes you nothing less than a sociopath.

    I asked earlier what other religious books you had read: koran? book of mormon? others? There are about 2 million muslims out there who claim you will burn in hell for following the wrong psychopath.
    Are you familiar with pascals wager?

    Happy?
    Only you could come up with that.
    Your rhetoric would play well in many liberal politicians arenas, blame anyone except the persons (society) that is the source of the problem.
    You and some of the whack-job street preachers that go around shouting “whore mongers” would work well together.
    The preacher could stand on one soap-box shouting “whore monger” and you could stand on another shouting “Its god’s fault.”

    Proof of any sort is absent from Christianity.
    I wrote this before but I am sure you missed.

    Christianity is the only religion based solely on faith. NOTHING else is necessary to except faith that what Jesus did and said is true.
    Regardless of hoops men try to add to the message to jump through, which are men trying to make god in their image, nothing, absolutely nothing other than faith is necessary, to reap the rewards as detailed in the Bible; therefore, any dealing with proofs, in any manner, is a fools folly.

    Reason and faith are at opposite ends of a spectrum.

    in reply to: General Discussion #287370
    RpR
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    So your answer to ‘I don’t know” is “It’s magic”? I have to ask: Have you ever been assessed for psychiatric treatment or medications?

    No and I bet a lot of money that bothers you greatly but then, unstable people are easily bothered greatly.

    Magic only exists for atheists, at least some of them such as probably, you, as to them, all that is, is magic, for to them, something came out of nothing
    Comparing that to a god, and universe, that has always existed, that is magic.

    in reply to: General Discussion #287205
    RpR
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    Guess it may have something to do with the NRA donating so much money to their different State Senators?.
    Jim.
    Lincoln .7

    Not likely, but if the general populace is so moronically ignorant that they could be gullible enough to let Washington change one of the founding Father’s additions to the Constitution then than God for the NRA and any other organization that prevents it.

    in reply to: General Discussion #287134
    RpR
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    Or maybe he was checking that his argument is being followed and its you who is stirring the dung?

    So now this has been reduced to the level of a Pee Wee Herman episode — He’s rubber, you’re glue, everything you say bounces off of him and sticks to you — but then that is all your school of thought has, I guess.

    in reply to: General Discussion #287065
    RpR
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    I am afraid in any given circumstance EVERY person is capable of being nasty.

    That is correct, that is basic human nature that never actually changes but as I said seems to flux.

    There are some with absolute control over it and some who simply do not give damn about other people to the point of enjoying others misery, at the extremes.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286997
    RpR
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    So, everybody has the potential for good, and everybody has the potential for evil…

    …and everybody (in the United States anyway) has the right to bear arms.

    No cause for concern there then!!! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

    Nope, unless one is paranoid.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286998
    RpR
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    A religious person claims to have knowledge of supernatural entities who we aren’t just supposed to believe exist, but we’re ALSO meant to believe they want things from us. A religious man or woman claims that a god, or gods, need us to worship them, to acknowledge them, to have us lay down and prostate ourselves to their supposedly omnipotent selves. Or worst, that WE need the gods, and that without them, our lives are somehow meaningless.

    A religious person believes that after we die we go somewhere. Where that “somewhere” is varies from religion to religion, but a common theme is that if you’re a good person you’ll go somewhere (or become something) good, and if you’re a bad person you’ll go some place (or become something) bad.

    The religious believe this because a book – in rarer cases a singular holy man or woman – has assured them that it’s true because “It just is, shut up”, and usually placed a huge penalty on doubting these unfounded “truth claims” that may or may not include an eternity in aforementioned “bad place,” and/or horrible things happening to you and/or people you care about now, or in the future.

    All of these beliefs, plus some, come together to form a dogma. The definition of dogma: A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

    Now, what do atheists believe?

    Atheists believe those dogmas are fictional, and we require evidence to the contrary before we’re willing to make ourselves slaves to an entity that – by all rational measures – has never been proven to even exist.

    That’s it. That’s all atheists have in common; We reject your theology.

    We reject your dogma. We don’t have a new dogma of our own that all atheists must follow… We just think yours is fictional, and would appreciate it greatly if you stopped trying to force it on others with your words and actions unless and until you can prove it, which no one has ever done, ever.

    There are conservative atheists and liberal atheists. Capitalist atheists, communist atheists, happy atheists, sad atheists. Generous atheists and selfish atheists, kind atheists and mean atheists.

    It’s not “dogmatic” to reject ideas that present no rational basis for believing in them. It just isn’t. That’s not what “dogma” means.

    So next time you feel the need to call an atheist dogmatic, do try to keep in mind that all you’re actually doing is labeling yourself as someone with a “personal unsubstantiated belief” that certain words in the English language should mean different things when you really want them to.

    You are rationalizing, which has been/is the root of your rhetoric.
    So next time you do that keep in mind that, as you float your atheist dogma about religion, that is not a good thing.

    Dogma
    a belief or set of beliefs held by a group which others are expected to accept without argument

    in reply to: General Discussion #286909
    RpR
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    Your last paragraph neatly describes any religious belief but does not apply to atheists because we hold no set of beliefs.
    It is useful to have clarified the distibction.

    ZXR has repeatedly voiced the same set of opinion.
    That is a dogma whether you like it or not.

    The belief that there is not a god and all religions to be false, is as much a standard dogma as any set belief.

    The word dogma does not exist because religion exists.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286823
    RpR
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    Doctrine

    a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group:

    And so it goes on…….I use the Oxford English Dictionary as source but if other definitions leave interpretation open then what more can one say?

    The attempt by RpR to bracket theism and atheism as two sides of the same coin doesn’t wash, for me. Atheism is not a belief system by its very meaning.

    You accept what you wish as do we all.

    I most often use the Oxford but here are some from pre dictionary wars Webster.

    Dog”ma (?), n.; pl. E. Dogmas (#), L. Dogmata (#). [L. dogma, Gr. , pl. , fr. to think, seem, appear; akin to L. decet it is becoming. Cf. Decent.]

    1. That which is held as an opinion; a tenet; a doctrine.
    ——————

    DOCTRINE, n. [L., to teach.]

    1. In a general sense, whatever is taught. Hence, a principle or position in any science; whatever is laid down as true by an instructor or master. The doctrines of the gospel are the principles or truths taught by Christ and his apostles. The doctrines of Plato are the principles which he taught. Hence a doctrine may be true or false; it may be a mere tenet or opinion.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286713
    RpR
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    You just proved my point about you not understanding what dogma means. Atheism isn’t taught, it’s the default position. Everyone is a born atheist until adults start lying to them.

    Hmm, you speak of dogma but paste doctrine, bizarre.
    Does that prove you are dyslexic?

    In public schools students are usually taught evolution, that God did not create man.
    Mentioning creation is forbidden, there is genuine proof of neither.
    Now what were you saying?

    in reply to: General Discussion #286541
    RpR
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    Here, let me post the rest of YOUR post where you laid out the definition YOU most often use…

    Dog”ma (?), n.; pl. E. Dogmas (#), L. Dogmata (#). [L. dogma, Gr. , pl. , fr. to think, seem, appear; akin to L. decet it is becoming. Cf. Decent.]

    1. That which is held as an opinion; a tenet; a doctrine. “—– Nice try bunky but doctrines differ from dogmas when speaking of religion to anyone who is not obtuse concerning religion.
    The Jews were given a doctrine by God that is no longer in effect but the dogma that forms the faith that God answers to has not changed.

    Mentioning creationism is NOT forbidden in school. It’s talked about in comparative religion. —- Really now?

    The parents of a 6-year-old girl said their daughter was humiliated when a teacher interrupted the childโ€™s one-minute speech and told her to sit down because sheโ€™s โ€œnot allowed to talk about the Bible in school,โ€ attorneys for the California family allege.
    The incident occurred Dec. 19 inside a first grade classroom at Helen Hunt-Jackson Elementary School in Temecula, Calif. The previous day the teacher instructed boys and girls to find something at home that represented a family Christmas tradition. They were supposed to bring the item to school and share the item in a classroom presentation.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/14/first-grader-told-to-stop-talking-about-bible/

    Here’s a simple question for ya in two parts:
    Have you ever had a flu shot? Have you ever had more than one flu shot? —-
    I had my only flu shot back in ’77, why, do you want it back?
    You send me ten dollars per question in a self addressed stamped envelope and I may answer them.
    Show me yours and I might show you mine.

    btw, you also ignored the part about atheism not being taught & not dogma. Don’t be afraid of critical thinking, it doesn’t hurt.

    Nice try again bunky but refusal to allow speaking of God in the public class room, is teaching atheism.
    It is a doctine, a very short one.

    Doctrine (just for you)

    1a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party
    , or other group:

    http://www.atheists.org/

    in reply to: General Discussion #286327
    RpR
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    All you need in life is to be good, honest ,trustworthy and respectful — those are the basics .They are not confined to religion,there are plenty of bad religious people out there and lots of really nice non religious out there.

    Nice try at shot gunning all religions into one group which is vacuous rhetoric.

    In the Christian Faith and most, if not all religions, being “good, honest, trustworthy, respectful ” etc. is taught to be the good and proper manner to live, within the doctrine of a religion. Failure to follow these rules has a penalty for those who willfully ignore them that cannot be avoided.

    In an world run by an atheistic dogma, there is not a reason or penalty to follow them. If one chooses to live ones life in the anti-thesis mode to these and gains power, the one/s has every so called right do so, and is not evil because the the one/s simply prefer to live and govern in an absolutely opposite mode to the virtues you listed and have gained the power to do so; therefore they have every “right” to do so..
    There is no ultimate penalty if one dies, as to the atheist it is from nothing to nothing so why not live in the manner one chooses.
    Only a naive fool would not.

    The societal morays we have exist because of “religion” whether you like that or not.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286192
    RpR
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    Indoctrination has negative connotations but is that not essentially what all religions practice? Surely, all religions promote faith in their god over any other god even though, by definition, there can be no proof of the existence of their god (or even any more evidence for the existence of their god) whilst still actually acknowledging the existence of other gods.

    “Thou shalt have no other gods before me!”

    The Ten Commandments may have been written for the Jews but aren’t they still in the Christian Bible?

    Yes it still applies to Christians.
    The Jews were the only persons with whom God had a personal covenant (people who were not Jews were not condemned simply because they were not Jews) which is why God gave them the ten, as they were held to stricter standards, i.e. ignorance of the law was no excuse.

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