RpRWhat (if anything) does the Bible say will happen to a person who commits suicide?
There is one verse, of which that is not the central topic so do not ask me to paste as I am not going read the entire New Testament to find it, that says those who end their life before their appointed time will greatly regret it.
That is the only thing it says.
RpRLets take a look at how willful ignorance works. I posted a link earlier that had 7 pages of references. How much of that total of 23 pages in the PDF did you actually read? & how many of the 7 pages of references did you look up & read?
You post a lot sites spouting opinion as fact, do you mean this one?
Atheism, Secularity, and Well-Being: How the Findings
of Social Science Counter Negative Stereotypes and
Assumptions
Phil Zuckerman*
Pitzer College, Claremont, California
‘As for suicide, however, regular church-attending Americans clearly have lower rates
than non-attenders (Comstock and Partridge 1972; Stack and Wasserman 1992; Martin
1984), although this correlation has actually not been found in other nations (Stack
1991). Of the current top-ten nations with the highest rates of suicide, most are relatively
secular (World Health Organization, 2003). But it is worth noting that eight of these
top-ten are post-Soviet countries, suggesting that decades of totalitarianism, depressed
economies, and a lack of basic human freedoms may be…—- [COLOR=”#800000″] Gee, what a nice rationalization—-I.e., I do not give a damn what facts say.
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…While acknowledging the many disagreements and discrepancies above, the fact still
remains that a preponderance of studies do indicate that secular people don’t seem to fare
as well as their religious peers when it comes to selected aspects of psychological well being
(Hackney and Sanders 2003; Pargament 2002; Schnittker 2001; Hood et al. 1996;
Idler and Stanislav 1992; Petersen and Roy 1985). For instance, Ellison (1991), Jones
(1993), and Pollner (1989) found that religious beliefs correlate with a sense of lifesatisfaction
and well-being, and Myers (1992) found that religious faith is correlated with
hope and optimism. McIntosh et al. (1993) report that religious people have a better time
adjusting to and coping with sad or difficult life events than secular people; Mattlin et al.
(1990) and Palmer and Noble (1986) report that religion is beneficial for people dealing
with chronic illness or the death of a loved one. Based on a systematic examination
of over 100 studies – and drawing heavily from the work of Koenig et al. (2001) –
McCullough and Smith (2003, 191–192) conclude that ‘‘people who are religious devout,
but not extremists, tend to report greater subjective well-being and life satisfaction…more
ability to cope with stress and crises…and fewer symptoms of depression’’ than secular
people. However, it should be pointed out that some have vigorously refuted such
sweeping conclusions, arguing that the link between religiosity and positive health
outcomes is grossly exaggerated (Sloan and Bagiella 2002). Finally, there is certainly the
possibility that because being non-religious in the United States makes one a member of —- Sounds like “I cannot refute this so out of desperation I will add this.”
a widely un-liked, distrusted, and stigmatize minority, this could take a psychological toll
on the mental health and sense of well-being of atheists and secular people, who may suffer
from a sense of isolation, alienation, or rejection from family, colleagues, or peers
(Downey 2004).
As for suicide, however, regular church-attending Americans clearly have lower rates
than non-attenders (Comstock and Partridge 1972; Stack and Wasserman 1992; Martin
1984), although this correlation has actually not been found in other nations (Stack
1991). Of the current top-ten nations with the highest rates of suicide, most are relatively
secular (World Health Organization, 2003). But it is worth noting that eight of these
top-ten are post-Soviet countries, suggesting that decades of totalitarianism, depressed
economies, and a lack of basic human freedoms may be….’-—Ah, once again, well the facts say this BUT, a little rationalization can take those ignore those facts and present the truth as what ever I/we want it to be.
Your 23 pages, are 23 pages of opinionated bs as far as facts go.
RpRWhat are you on, I’m reasonably neutral on the religous issue, don’t stick your assorted frauds and fantasies down my throat and I won’t trouble you, can you live and let live and please understand that your’s is not the only valid opinion on here.
Discuss, debate, sure, but why so dogmatic, you believe, fine, many don’t give a toss about any religion so long as it doesn’t interfere with the more important aspects of life and living. There are clearly quite a few on here who think you’re barking, I’ve no problem with that, just bark up your own damn tree please.
The highlighted above says you are lying so I will leave it at that.
RpRHe thinks scientific proof of something is an opinion. We have scientific proof that the entire creation is myth never happened.—- ROFLMAO.
Unless you have had to deal with the insidious form of religion you find in the US you’d have no idea just how willfully ignorant some people can choose to be.
Sure we do, sure we do, we have you.
I am sure there are some ponzi people who would like to work with you.
RpRIsn’t Christian faith an opinion based on interpretation of the knowledge contained in the Bible?
knowl·edge
noun
1 cognizance
2 the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association
No.
One hears and believes, or does not, without any proof, that is Christian faith.
If one tells you not to touch a flame, does one know that the flame will hurt the one, no.
If one goes ahead and sticks one hand into the flame, then the one has knowledge that what the one was told was good and true, but that is not how Christianity works.
RpRThat’s you screwed then… 😉 —- Nope.
That is the same opinion, liberal christians like to trot out to push their happy-thoughts dogma but in reality as it says —-“1 `Judge not, that ye may not be judged,
2 for in what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and in what measure ye measure, it shall be measured to you.” —- I am not worried as my opinion has no affect/effect on the life/lives those of whom I have thoughts as I am not in authority as many to most of those whom Jesus aimed this at were.Ah, I see where you went wrong. You appear to think knowledge is actually ignorance. —-[COLOR=”#800000″] That is where you went wrong, you think opinion is knowledge.
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RpRHere’s an idea RpR. Lets take a look at your book.
Do you agree with the following quote?
Mathew 7:8/Proverbs 8:17 “God is to be found by those who seek him”
Let’s keep this in context as what you wrote is not what was written, nor are they even related in message.
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1 `Judge not, that ye may not be judged,
2 for in what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and in what measure ye measure, it shall be measured to you.
3 `And why dost thou behold the mote that [is] in thy brother’s eye, and the beam that [is] in thine own eye dost not consider?
4 or, how wilt thou say to thy brother, Suffer I may cast out the mote from thine eye, and lo, the beam [is] in thine own eye?
5 Hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then thou shalt see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
6 `Ye may not give that which is [holy] to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, that they may not trample them among their feet, and having turned — may rend you.
7 `Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you;
8 for every one who is asking doth receive, and he who is seeking doth find, and to him who is knocking it shall be opened.
9 `Or what man is of you, of whom, if his son may ask a loaf — a stone will he present to him?
10 and if a fish he may ask — a serpent will he present to him?
11 if, therefore, ye being evil, have known good gifts to give to your children, how much more shall your Father who [is] in the heavens give good things to those asking him?
12 `All things, therefore, whatever ye may will that men may be doing to you, so also do to them, for this is the law and the prophets.
13 `Go ye in through the strait gate, because wide [is] the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it;
14 how strait [is] the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!
15 `But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep’s clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves.
The Proverbs you wrote is Solomon speaking of the glory of wisdom God gave him and how others should seek it and why.
I am not going to cut and paste as to show context would take too much space.
RpRLMFAO! Outsanding post!! Remind me again, was it you who started this thread? No it wasn’t, you decided to come in here & display your kindergarden fairytale beliefs for all to see.
I would much rather display what you imply is a fairy tale than be you displaying your vacuous ignorance.
RpRConfrontation results from religious discussions for one simple reason: you’re telling them that their most fundamental beliefs are wrong. But the fact that you are telling believers they’re wrong isn’t necessarily a bad thing because, in a modern context, being able to voice your opinions and challenge those of the majority is critical. Unfortunately, as a result of cognitive dissonance, the uncomfortable feeling resulting from holding conflicting notions, facts can seem like ridicule when they work against firmly held beliefs. But, if a person gets upset about a statement of fact, then that emotional reaction isn’t your fault…..
People of your sort have no facts to back up their rhetoric, so you are just verbally flatulating with your keyboard with this rhetoric; therefore it is your fault.
RpRWhat can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence 😉
Hmm, from the Oxford English.
Dismiss
1 order or allow to leave; send away:
she dismissed the taxi at the corner of the road
You are going to make leave something that does not exist; eww, that is just like something from nothing.
You give atheists a bad name.
RpRIf the target is sufficiently valuable, reaching & destroying it can be complete success even if everything sent to attack it is destroyed.
War is attrition. Stealth is a tactic in war.
If that is the case then stealth is waste of money and time, the USAF could simply do as they did in ‘Nam and blow the hell out of the enemy by simple numbers, with each loss being less of monetary loss.
Short range ECM would work just as well in your scenario, at far, far, far less cost, as it would reduce the chance of an air to surface missile accurately tracking and leave the enemy doing as they did in “Nam and Iraq shooting blindly hoping to hit something.
That would be even more effective if used with a version of the old Quail system which cause enemy missiles to be wasted on decoys.
To say stealth goes with attrition is just a bit obtuse.
RpRDo you have a single piece of objective evidence to prove the existence of God, or any God that would stand up in a court of law?
No, not one .
The Christian religion is based on faith and faith alone. (although many synods or organizations forget, or simply ignore, that to hype their personal dogma)
RpRWhy is it necessary that you have enemies? I don’t have any nor do any other atheists I know.
You really have no idea what that old saying means do you?
RpRNonesense claim to stay polite. The critical point is reached, when you are able to close the fire-circle to destroy something.
If you are detected, you can be destroyed. It will make no difference if it reaches and destroys its target, if it does not return, it was a total failure.
Since when does stealth become a war of attrition.
RpRMatthew 10:34-36 – “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. — Sadly too many preachers ignore this and parts of the Bible that gets in the way of their feel good preaching.
Bit inconvenient when just about ALL the other religions claim the exact same thing.
So?
One has to give them credit for their conviction.
It is better to have an enemy for whom you have respect, than a colleague for whom you have none.
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