RpRA lot of my education was in Church aided schools.
I was educated in religious matters and have remembered a lot of what I was taught.
I went to Church and Sunday School and regularly prayed until I was old enough to make a decision based on my feelings.Then one Sunday I came home and announced to my parents I didn’t believe in God and that’s where my “religion” stopped!
I am not going to deny someone called “Jesus” existed and that he was a wise man who taught morals.
Imagine this happening today:
Man and woman get engaged/married…
They have not had sexual intercourse….Woman goes away for a while, comes back pregnant.
Woman, being wise, thinks “Oops, how do I explain this? I know, the child is a gift from God”
And thus the story begins……
Your point is, if you have one other than being arrogant and cynical ?
RpRDidn’t you get the memo? They get to pick & choose which parts of the OT & NT they follow. Most of the time you bring up some asshole deal that jebus did & they say “Oh, but that was in the Old Testment”.. Then you point out that he wasn’t in the prequel & they get all confused.
Your ignorance is showing.
As Jesus said in the New Testament, he fulfilled all that the Old Testament said he would; therefore, the old is replaced with the new.
No more sacrifices or hoops to jump through to avoid damnation, simple faith is all that is needed.
RpRReally? Then why would the bible need to state “you will have no other gods before me”? If there were no other gods, there wouldn’t be a need to include that awkward admission…
& the fact that you follow a version of the bible written by an English King who had an incestuous, homosexual relationship with a cousin kinda shoots down any claims your lot come up with regarding morality.
God is only a title, there can be many gods but there is only one kahuna.
The Christian God is the god of gods.
RpRIndoctrination has negative connotations but is that not essentially what all religions practice? Surely, all religions promote faith in their god over any other god even though, by definition, there can be no proof of the existence of their god (or even any more evidence for the existence of their god) whilst still actually acknowledging the existence of other gods.
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me!”
The Ten Commandments may have been written for the Jews but aren’t they still in the Christian Bible?
Yes it still applies to Christians.
The Jews were the only persons with whom God had a personal covenant (people who were not Jews were not condemned simply because they were not Jews) which is why God gave them the ten, as they were held to stricter standards, i.e. ignorance of the law was no excuse.
RpRWhich were stolen from other, older religions
If you would keep up with the program, if there is a god, there are no other older religions, only man made corruptions of the one true faith and god.
RpROk so are you saying that even though i am all the things your religion states good,honest ,trustworthy etc ,because i don’t believe in god i am a bad person.
You seem to be inflicted with a complex of being singled out to be taunted by religious goblins.
RpRThe ‘Ten Commandments’, above all else, tell you to be a Christian! :rolleyes:
No religion is interested in education; they are interested in indoctrination, especially of the young.
I have no problem with teaching about all religions in schools: “Some people believe that there is a god or gods…”
The Ten Commandments were written for the Jews, but even if one cannot stomach the part the makes God the big Kahuna, it is a good standard to follow.
As to the second statement: if you have read all of the Bible, it does not say to indoctrinate and that is condemned just as rote prayer is, in the Bible.
You do have to separate how the Jews were expected to follow God from how Jesus changed things by performing the tasks that allowed the formation of the Christian dogma.
RpRIf there were 2 identical planets
Planet A , full of good people but not religious or
Planet B, full of religious people ,i wonder which would be the most peaceful?
I if I were from a planet full of bad people which one I would invade, and win easily.
RpROk so are you saying that even though i am all the things your religion states good,honest ,trustworthy etc ,because i don’t believe in god i am a bad person.
Nope, but you seem to be a bit hangdog about it.
RpRAll you need in life is to be good, honest ,trustworthy and respectful — those are the basics .They are not confined to religion,there are plenty of bad religious people out there and lots of really nice non religious out there.
Nice try at shot gunning all religions into one group which is vacuous rhetoric.
In the Christian Faith and most, if not all religions, being “good, honest, trustworthy, respectful ” etc. is taught to be the good and proper manner to live, within the doctrine of a religion. Failure to follow these rules has a penalty for those who willfully ignore them that cannot be avoided.
In an world run by an atheistic dogma, there is not a reason or penalty to follow them. If one chooses to live ones life in the anti-thesis mode to these and gains power, the one/s has every so called right do so, and is not evil because the the one/s simply prefer to live and govern in an absolutely opposite mode to the virtues you listed and have gained the power to do so; therefore they have every “right” to do so..
There is no ultimate penalty if one dies, as to the atheist it is from nothing to nothing so why not live in the manner one chooses.
Only a naive fool would not.
The societal morays we have exist because of “religion” whether you like that or not.
RpRHere, let me post the rest of YOUR post where you laid out the definition YOU most often use…
“Dog”ma (?), n.; pl. E. Dogmas (#), L. Dogmata (#). [L. dogma, Gr. , pl. , fr. to think, seem, appear; akin to L. decet it is becoming. Cf. Decent.]
1. That which is held as an opinion; a tenet; a doctrine. “—– Nice try bunky but doctrines differ from dogmas when speaking of religion to anyone who is not obtuse concerning religion.
The Jews were given a doctrine by God that is no longer in effect but the dogma that forms the faith that God answers to has not changed.Mentioning creationism is NOT forbidden in school. It’s talked about in comparative religion. —- Really now?
The parents of a 6-year-old girl said their daughter was humiliated when a teacher interrupted the child’s one-minute speech and told her to sit down because she’s “not allowed to talk about the Bible in school,” attorneys for the California family allege.
The incident occurred Dec. 19 inside a first grade classroom at Helen Hunt-Jackson Elementary School in Temecula, Calif. The previous day the teacher instructed boys and girls to find something at home that represented a family Christmas tradition. They were supposed to bring the item to school and share the item in a classroom presentation.http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/14/first-grader-told-to-stop-talking-about-bible/
Here’s a simple question for ya in two parts:
Have you ever had a flu shot? Have you ever had more than one flu shot? —-
I had my only flu shot back in ’77, why, do you want it back?
You send me ten dollars per question in a self addressed stamped envelope and I may answer them.
Show me yours and I might show you mine.btw, you also ignored the part about atheism not being taught & not dogma. Don’t be afraid of critical thinking, it doesn’t hurt.
Nice try again bunky but refusal to allow speaking of God in the public class room, is teaching atheism.
It is a doctine, a very short one.
Doctrine (just for you)
1a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group:
RpRYou just proved my point about you not understanding what dogma means. Atheism isn’t taught, it’s the default position. Everyone is a born atheist until adults start lying to them.
Hmm, you speak of dogma but paste doctrine, bizarre.
Does that prove you are dyslexic?
In public schools students are usually taught evolution, that God did not create man.
Mentioning creation is forbidden, there is genuine proof of neither.
Now what were you saying?
RpRDoctrine
a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group:
And so it goes on…….I use the Oxford English Dictionary as source but if other definitions leave interpretation open then what more can one say?
The attempt by RpR to bracket theism and atheism as two sides of the same coin doesn’t wash, for me. Atheism is not a belief system by its very meaning.
You accept what you wish as do we all.
I most often use the Oxford but here are some from pre dictionary wars Webster.
Dog”ma (?), n.; pl. E. Dogmas (#), L. Dogmata (#). [L. dogma, Gr. , pl. , fr. to think, seem, appear; akin to L. decet it is becoming. Cf. Decent.]
1. That which is held as an opinion; a tenet; a doctrine.
——————
DOCTRINE, n. [L., to teach.]
1. In a general sense, whatever is taught. Hence, a principle or position in any science; whatever is laid down as true by an instructor or master. The doctrines of the gospel are the principles or truths taught by Christ and his apostles. The doctrines of Plato are the principles which he taught. Hence a doctrine may be true or false; it may be a mere tenet or opinion.
RpRYour last paragraph neatly describes any religious belief but does not apply to atheists because we hold no set of beliefs.
It is useful to have clarified the distibction.
ZXR has repeatedly voiced the same set of opinion.
That is a dogma whether you like it or not.
The belief that there is not a god and all religions to be false, is as much a standard dogma as any set belief.
The word dogma does not exist because religion exists.
RpRSo, everybody has the potential for good, and everybody has the potential for evil…
…and everybody (in the United States anyway) has the right to bear arms.
No cause for concern there then!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Nope, unless one is paranoid.
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