RpRA religious person claims to have knowledge of supernatural entities who we aren’t just supposed to believe exist, but we’re ALSO meant to believe they want things from us. A religious man or woman claims that a god, or gods, need us to worship them, to acknowledge them, to have us lay down and prostate ourselves to their supposedly omnipotent selves. Or worst, that WE need the gods, and that without them, our lives are somehow meaningless.
A religious person believes that after we die we go somewhere. Where that “somewhere” is varies from religion to religion, but a common theme is that if you’re a good person you’ll go somewhere (or become something) good, and if you’re a bad person you’ll go some place (or become something) bad.
The religious believe this because a book – in rarer cases a singular holy man or woman – has assured them that it’s true because “It just is, shut up”, and usually placed a huge penalty on doubting these unfounded “truth claims” that may or may not include an eternity in aforementioned “bad place,” and/or horrible things happening to you and/or people you care about now, or in the future.
All of these beliefs, plus some, come together to form a dogma. The definition of dogma: A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
Now, what do atheists believe?
Atheists believe those dogmas are fictional, and we require evidence to the contrary before we’re willing to make ourselves slaves to an entity that – by all rational measures – has never been proven to even exist.
That’s it. That’s all atheists have in common; We reject your theology.
We reject your dogma. We don’t have a new dogma of our own that all atheists must follow… We just think yours is fictional, and would appreciate it greatly if you stopped trying to force it on others with your words and actions unless and until you can prove it, which no one has ever done, ever.
There are conservative atheists and liberal atheists. Capitalist atheists, communist atheists, happy atheists, sad atheists. Generous atheists and selfish atheists, kind atheists and mean atheists.
It’s not “dogmatic” to reject ideas that present no rational basis for believing in them. It just isn’t. That’s not what “dogma” means.
So next time you feel the need to call an atheist dogmatic, do try to keep in mind that all you’re actually doing is labeling yourself as someone with a “personal unsubstantiated belief” that certain words in the English language should mean different things when you really want them to.
You are rationalizing, which has been/is the root of your rhetoric.
So next time you do that keep in mind that, as you float your atheist dogma about religion, that is not a good thing.
Dogma
a belief or set of beliefs held by a group which others are expected to accept without argument
RpRI am afraid in any given circumstance EVERY person is capable of being nasty.
That is correct, that is basic human nature that never actually changes but as I said seems to flux.
There are some with absolute control over it and some who simply do not give damn about other people to the point of enjoying others misery, at the extremes.
RpROr maybe he was checking that his argument is being followed and its you who is stirring the dung?
So now this has been reduced to the level of a Pee Wee Herman episode — He’s rubber, you’re glue, everything you say bounces off of him and sticks to you — but then that is all your school of thought has, I guess.
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RpRRemember the laser doesn’t have to be on another plane it can be ground based. The result is the same a dead aircraft. Ground abased systems wont have same trouble with power systems as airborne ones will.
Laser are very real things while force fields are still just science fiction even it we would all like to have them both.
Lasers doing what is being spoken of here is just as much science fiction as force fields.
RpRIt works always. The questions are left only, to what degree under what circumstances?!
If they can detect you, it ain’t working, period.
Now generals could rationalize how close is good enough, which they probably would.
RpRGuess it may have something to do with the NRA donating so much money to their different State Senators?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
Not likely, but if the general populace is so moronically ignorant that they could be gullible enough to let Washington change one of the founding Father’s additions to the Constitution then than God for the NRA and any other organization that prevents it.
RpRStealth if used correctly gives the stealthy aircraft a first look first shoot advantage.
No not correctly, if it works, which it may not.
RpRThere’s a major flaw with statement. Jesus didn’t author one word of the bible. The entire book is hearsay. What you think is faith in god etc is really faith that a bunch of uneducated desert dwelling people knew what they were talking about. It’s obvious to anyone who was taught how to think instead of what to think that none of the claims in the book hold up in any way at all.
Your flaw is that God made sure what ever was written down, despite man’s attempts to totally screw with it, carry the abstract of truth God wants.
You simply cannot understand the concept of true faith, unless you have faith in mankind to not screw things up worse than they already are.
Now that is a concept believed by uneducated people.
RpRThe old saying goes — for every measure, there is a counter measure.
RpRYou may be right about the influence of the media; few gun-homicides in the United States (or anywhere else for that matter) make the news in the United Kingdom unless it is a school shooting-spree or involves somebody famous.
When the second amendment was adopted in 1791 I don’t suppose there were many shooting-sprees; somebody may have tried but it would be very difficult with a flint-lock musket! Human nature may not have changed but the weapons certainly have.
And maybe ‘normal’ human nature has changed; many of us now live in large anonymous cities where we don’t know our neighbours and are more likely to spend time conversing with somebody on the other side of the planet via the internet that talking to somebody in our own street. Maybe, under these circumstances, something fundamental has changed in human nature; maybe, under these circumstances, the ‘reasons’ for these shooting-sprees are more common?
I would not call it change per se, rather humanity has peaks and valleys.
When societies are at their most naive and apathetic, thinking such things as –no one would ever do x,y or z because people are basically good — reality slaps them in the face and shows that human nature may flux, but it does not ever actually change and part of it is always just plain nasty.
RpRSo you are quite happy that this psychopathic monster that you follow stands idly by while children are raped? That makes you nothing less than a sociopath.
I asked earlier what other religious books you had read: koran? book of mormon? others? There are about 2 million muslims out there who claim you will burn in hell for following the wrong psychopath.
Are you familiar with pascals wager?
Happy?
Only you could come up with that.
Your rhetoric would play well in many liberal politicians arenas, blame anyone except the persons (society) that is the source of the problem.
You and some of the whack-job street preachers that go around shouting “whore mongers” would work well together.
The preacher could stand on one soap-box shouting “whore monger” and you could stand on another shouting “Its god’s fault.”
Proof of any sort is absent from Christianity.
I wrote this before but I am sure you missed.
Christianity is the only religion based solely on faith. NOTHING else is necessary to except faith that what Jesus did and said is true.
Regardless of hoops men try to add to the message to jump through, which are men trying to make god in their image, nothing, absolutely nothing other than faith is necessary, to reap the rewards as detailed in the Bible; therefore, any dealing with proofs, in any manner, is a fools folly.
Reason and faith are at opposite ends of a spectrum.
RpRSo your answer to ‘I don’t know” is “It’s magic”? I have to ask: Have you ever been assessed for psychiatric treatment or medications?
No and I bet a lot of money that bothers you greatly but then, unstable people are easily bothered greatly.
Magic only exists for atheists, at least some of them such as probably, you, as to them, all that is, is magic, for to them, something came out of nothing
Comparing that to a god, and universe, that has always existed, that is magic.
RpRUp to a degree Warren, however, there must have been some time in the history of owning guns, that they realised just what a Boll**K they had dropped.
It should never have been a “God given right”, to own guns, without a caveat, which would have allowed the 2nd to be amended or adjusted to suit the day and ages they lived in.
Cue Rick and RpR……..:)
Jim.
Lincoln .7
The 2nd Amendment can be ameneded if they can get 28 States to agree to the Amendment.
I do have enough faith in the general populous, especially with the marxist socialist now running the Democratic Party that hell will freeze first.
Creaking:
The problems you say only came to be now, have always been there, just the internet makes it seem to be a “new” problem due to information traveling to millions in minutes verses days, or weeks as in the past.
The county I grew up in, before I was born when the largest town only had 4,000 people recorded four gun murders from the thirties to the 1950.
Post 1950 now that the largest town has 13,000 people their have been two murders. One was was a woman beaten to death, and the other a policeman shot to death at the police station.
The problem is human nature, not guns.
RpRUp to a degree Warren, however, there must have been some time in the history of owning guns, that they realised just what a Boll**K they had dropped.
It should never have been a “God given right”, to own guns, without a caveat, which would have allowed the 2nd to be amended or adjusted to suit the day and ages they lived in.
Cue Rick and RpR……..:)
Jim.
Lincoln .7
The 2nd Amendment can be ameneded if they can get 28 States to agree to the Amendment.
I do have enough faith in the general populous, especially with the marxist socialist now running the Democratic Party that hell will freeze first.
Creaking:
The problems you say only came to be now, have always been there, just the internet makes it seem to be a “new” problem due to information traveling to millions in minutes verses days, or weeks as in the past.
The county I grew up in, before I was born when the largest town only had 4,000 people recorded four gun murders from the thirties to the 1950.
Post 1950 now that the largest town has 13,000 people their have been two murders. One was was a woman beaten to death, and the other a policeman shot to death at the police station.
The problem is human nature, not guns.
RpRSo in one fell swoop you tell all the other religions they are wrong and you are right- – – –
What sort of loving God would allow a dictatorship which is what you seem to think.In the other point you make to me earlier you say about wanting a god that “causes” ,i would rather have a God that DID’NT cause 🙂
To quote Linc, quoting another, “there can be only one”.
If you read the Bible or at least the part addressing it, God is love, hate, jealousy, empathy, sympathy, bemusement,,, all in one. God is not a single emotion type thing.
As I said, God allows as God decides proper, God ignores as God decides proper and God actually reaches out and touches some one/thing as God decides is proper.
Man being born into sin, is not just the social idea of men doing something wrong, it also includes the biological part of children inheriting the short-comings of their ancestors, which may be problems in the brain due to corrupted genes or problems in the brain due to hormones being totally a cluster-f, this goes on to include every physical defect from the brain to the toes.
As an example people who have allergies, as I do, find out that simply eating the wrong two items at the same time can cause a misery one can do nothing about deliberately, as one can never see it coming.
IF, and that is BIG IF, God directly acts against one, one has done something that is a threat to humanity as a whole.
If God acts for you, it may be a case of one asking a doctor how it happened and the doctor saying, “I do not know, it goes against known biological science.””
Life is not a crap-shoot, in reality it is far closer to Black-Jack in which God expects persons to be card-counters or pay the penalty of being apathetic.
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