That (maybe) they’d be better served if they were taught how to get on with others, rather than kill them?
That is a myopic statement at best and paranoid at worst.
If you think they teach how to kill people, you live in a very small sad world.
I guess then also, the Olympic trap shooters are just trained killers out practicing how to kill more efficiently, brilliant.
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John Green
Or, even how to properly read and write.
Unfortunately, that is a problems that actually does infest a growing number of U.S. grade school systems, especially as in most schools one can no longer flunk grades till one gets it done properly, they just herd them out he doors like cattle.
The minorities are the ones herded along most quickly as to hold them back is considered a racist act.
I still find it sad that so many people still believe in something, base their lives upon something that quite clearly isn’t real.
A problem with your stance is that nothing is clear, without exception, no matter which side one is on.
The alternative to a creator, is that all that is, is an accident which, at face value, is simply absurd.
The odd thing is, is that those who simple cannot believe in a God that simple has always been, will accept that the material that forms the universe simply has always been, or, in some cases, that something came from nothing.
Qualifications, I have a BSc, does that count?
But religion does not want to be questioned. `It is` because otherwise it would cease to exist.
Of course there is one question that has always intrigued me. If god made everything who made god?
Now that’s one dude I would lke to meet.
Well then who made the god that made the god that made the god that made the god … to infinity.
That still defeats the atheistic view of their is no god.
Who says religion does not want to be questioned?
Questioned about what?
Christianity is based on faith, faith cannot be proven, if there is proof then it is no longer based on faith.
So if you want proof, any true Christian can only give you a Bible and tell you to read and decide for yourself.
Demanding proof, is merely starting a straw man argument, as there is none.
God cannot be proven to exist or not exist.
I thought that for believers their god created everything……….no?
That is an idea that too many christians do not think through or turns their brains off and play follow the leader.
It is illogical that God, (God being a triune unit with god being a title is another reason christians have split into factions as the authority Jesus gives God the Father in the Bible, over him, screws with their, God is God, ain’t no difference narrow minds), once was all by itself with nothing else and suddenly decided it needed more.
Because that is illogical and for those who believe God created everything, God created logic, it would be a catch 22.
The creation of the Bible is the creation of the physical world not the universe or God’s realm .
Let me postulate this: what if god created the things that caused the ‘accidents’: gravity, lightning…..and evolution?
Where religions require you to believe that you are following the ‘word’ of god then it is impossible for them to be ‘wrong’ about anything, ever, because how can you have a fallible god?
Postulate what?
This is an area where some Christian dogmas go head to head in a very belligerent manner.
Free will, some dogmas do not believe it exists, but the RC Church and most branches that were created in protest from it do.
As a part of heaven fell due the arrogance allowed by free will, any supposed “accidents” are merely man’s stupidity having its just rewards.
If you have studied biology, an oddity in a society of living creatures is not well accepted or simply not as hardy to survive as the norm.
For an oddity to evolve in a manner that would cause a major, majority dominant, change the accident would have to happen on a instantaneous scale that exceeds the norm to be able to dominate and replace the norm.
It has never happened nor will it ever, as it is one of the magical theories evolution, not topical adaptation which does happen, to be possible.
The only thing Christians will never say they are wrong about is that which is preached in the Gospel of the New Testament which is the only thing Jesus came for in the first place.
Umm no. Let me introduce you to science. Much of which is the quest to find out the what, why and how. Not knowing any of those at a particular point in time does not default to “nothing.” It simply means that at that point in time we do not know.
Why is an accident absurd? The only way it can be absurb is if you must have something, which simply becomes a weak argument for there being a creator.
What, why, how has nothing to do with whether or not God exists, it merely is trying to figure out what it was done with, why it was done and how it was done but then that means there is an organized plan behind it.
Atheists, for the most part, scoff at the fact that for people of religions, God and the energy God used to build with, has simply always been yet they they that that energy has always been while at the same time saying that it some how organized itself, by chance, into matter and living beings with emotions.
Some say that the universe popped out of nothing and then by chance created it as we know it.
The former is simply absurd using logic, the latter is asininely moronic.
Why?
You are making an assertion with no evidence to support it, at the same time insisting that others must believe in one of two options you have given them.
Umm, no.
Because every scientific experiment ever and simple logic has proven that from nothing comes nothing, period.
For anyone to say that after energy suddenly popped into existence where nothing, by nothing I mean nothing, existed before by chance formed the complicated formulas by which the universe as we know it functions, is in the most polite manner of description, asininely moronic.
There are only two options, god exists or god does not.
If I am wrong give me all those other possibilities with some sort of logic that there are more than two options.
Those who believe that energy already existed but just floated around empty of any function and then BOOM, the Big Bang happened and complicated formulas sprang forth by chance is absurd using simply logic, but at least they have something already existing.
Of course then, if they believe energy has always existed with no beginning, why is it so hard for them to believe that a god, using god as a title, also simply has always existed and is the creator of the physical universe using said same energy.
Why does it have to be a major change or be on an instantaneous scale? — One creature with an oddity cannot change how that species continues on; a portion of that species, larger than the norm must at the same period of time suddenly change from the norm. Evolution pretty much has to be magic.
Luck aside, a cheetah will catch the slowest gazelle; all other things being equal the fastest gazelle will always get away. And the fastest gazelle will get to breed and the one that the cheetah ate will not. Likewise a slow cheetah will likely starve, or not produce offspring as successfully as a fast, well-fed, cheetah.Given enough time this naturally selective breeding could, quite by accident, produce all sorts of variations without any divine intervention or ‘magical theories’.
Look at all the varieties of dog man has managed to breed in just a few centuries; nature could surely have achieved much more in many millennia.
That is all topical adaptation or calculated adaptation. Each one is hard wired to produce the result depending on who survives or how they are crossed.
That is not evolution.
The ‘hard wiring’ is DNA and DNA can, and does, mutate all the time without any reference to the environment; that is why we are not all clones of our parents.
If ‘topical adaptation’ involves the natural selection of different DNA strains…..then it is evolution.
It does, hmmm, I would like to see the scientific proof for that.
It does not mutate, merely reveals something that was already there that scientists in, some not all, arrogance simply could not fathom being there because it does not fit their scientific dogma.
‘Scientific dogma’? Science doesn’t go in for dogma…..you are thinking of religion. —
DOGMA
a : something held as an established opinion; especially : a definite authoritative tenet
b : a code of such tenets
c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate groundstenet
: a belief or idea that is very important to a group
Science is making enormous strides in understanding DNA; perhaps even revealing the complete mechanism by which evolution takes place.
And what is the response of those that deny that evolution exists? State that DNA does not mutate when the scientific evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates that it does mutate.
Demonstrates, when, where, how
It has to be replicated at will to be a proof. Of course if the same thing happens repeatedly that is merely topical adaptation caused by artificially created scenarios.
…Believers of one credo killing believers of another, though, that is utterly commonplace.
Yes as Leninists who loathed the Russian church showed.
Dogma: A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
Well let us see, all that is was either created by a supreme being or it was not.
Ask the scientific community to include God in their theories and one is on a good day, merely scoffed at, all the rest condemned as a ignorant fool following a fable; therefore, their scientific opinions and theories are uncontrovertibly true to them.
That is a dogma as the Oxford English prefers to define it.
At the same time a theory from the Oxford is:
A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained
and supposition is:
an uncertain belief.
Yet they ridicule those who consider their theory to be nothing more that a poorly educated guess without proof.
The main scientific communities attitudes is why evolution is as much a dogma to them as the Bible is a dogma to Christians.
For example the ‘young Earth’ creationists seemed to spring-up at about the time that science was beginning to be able to measure the age of the Earth and that evolution was suggesting how many millennia would be required for evolution to take place.
Young earth believers have nothing to do with science or lack of it.
It amounts to a group who read the Bible insert assumptions that are not there and create their doctrine on their opinions.
Ignoring rules of grammar is the main tool many use to float their home-made doctrine.
Rubbish.
You are making up fantasy to suit your position and beliefs. — No more than scientists are doing the same to support their position and beliefs.
Science by it’s very nature questions and continues to question. — Mocking anyone who challenges an unproven theory is not questioning, it is taking an uncontrovertilbe stance.Commonly accepted scientific understanding has been, and will continue to be, challenged and where new discoveries point to differing conclusions those will become the new norm, until new evidence brings challenge to those too. — That is bs. An article in Scientific American in the eighties exposed what happens to scientists who challenge the majority accepted dogma even if they are eventually proven correct.
They are ostracized and driven out of the community.
Those in the article had that happen and they never practiced their chosen field again.Religon does not accept challenge. — Neither does the majority science community.
A woman from the article mentioned above, had her theory found to be true years later by a man; he was given credit for the NEW discovery, she was not mentioned in any papers about the idea she said was true years earlier.
To proper scientists, she did not exist.Science does not “scoff” (emotive language there, i wonder do you have a reason for it?) at religion.
Yeah right.
If you say that often enough you might convince your self.
This is from JConline:
The scientific community, including the one at Purdue University, might scoff at what’s going on at Ball State University these days, as a handful of Indiana legislators circle the Muncie campus, questioning whether a physics professor has been unduly stifled from exploring the topic of intelligent design in a science class.
But this is some potent stuff, as reported by Seth Slabaugh of the Muncie Star Press. And the implied threat by the lawmakers, including state Sen. Dennis Kruse, shouldn’t be taken lightly.
And here we see why the religious are so hopeless. Oh am i “scoffing?” Why yes i am. Completely justifiably.
Unlike the belief in fairies at the bottom of the garden the theory of evolution is supported by considerable evidence.
Evidence —
— they have as much evidence for evolution as they had for the water canals on Mars.
Evolution is scientists version of Three-Card Monte.