RpRI would believe you and your arguments more if you happened to instantly convert ISIS into not being a murderous bunch of religious freaks, but that isn’t going to happen any time soon so I guess my own lack of faith in invisible friends and things that go bump in the night is utterly safe.
If you think Christians and Muslims share anything then you are horridly myopic and ignorant of the teaching of either group.
There are Christian scientists and if they think they can solve the problem by themselves they are fools of the type mentioned in Proverbs, if they pray without ceasing (that does not mean or imply 24/7) the answers will come but they still will have work hard and long for them and endure misery for their faith.
Where do they look, reading old texts and finding out what knowledge is seemingly lost or buried in man’s arrogance, medicinal scientists would probably find more there that in some pill cooked in a lab, is one area but beyond that the same place any scientist has to look; take God’s creation and start breaking it down into its smallest components to see what it is made of and how it works.
RpRGone Girl
Excellent till the last ten minutes when all the police except one do a good imitation of Barney Fife.
RpR…but, strangely, it only seems to be in the investigation of evolution or in determining the age of the Earth that scientists are suddenly reduced to ridiculous ‘quacks’ that merely make ‘guesses’ based on little or no evidence!
Why is that?
Because evolution, the age of the earth is meaningless as the Bible only hints at the age of man, not the planet, is man strutting its god wannabe arrogance and bragging about it.
God used science, most of which man is still totally ignorant, to create the physical universe.
Only the majority of the science community eliminate that fact and try to insert, by their public attutudes, that Christians believe in what could only be called magic to replace it, while at the same time replacing the science God used with their own nut-job theories and insist they are correct regardless of the fact they leak like a sieve.
RpRIn one post you claim to be atheist and then spent the rest of the thread rubbishing science, evolution, knowledge, yet defending the concept of god. — Atheist, you are very, very wrong.
Frankly I don’t care about any-one’s religious beliefs or lack of, provided they don’t bother me with their theories or set out to kill me because I don’t bend a knee to the “right” god. — Take the latter up with the Muslims but beyond that science was my easiest, and most enjoyable, of classes in High School and College but do not try to force unproven-unprovable theories on me to the exclusion of other opinions.
However I do know this, “our” planet indeed the solar system of which we are a part, is an insignificant dot on the scale of the universe, whatever happens on this planet has very little effect on the workings of the universe, for any-one to believe that in our minute corner of the universe we have found the “truth” through religion take a lot of swallowing.
You rubbish evolution, yet the fossil record says otherwise, you rubbish “big bang” theory, but there is a growing theory that “big bangs” have been happening across the universe for millions of years and probably still are. We know for instance that stars (ie suns) have a tendency to implode or explode taking any attendant systems with them, all the energy and material is either trapped or scattered, it is still there, for all we know new suns and new systems may be forming right now, the problem being of course is that we only see these events millions of years after they occurred due to the distance involved. — There is no growing evidence there are opinions. The fossile record shows nothing except we are incredibly ignorant of the number of species that are extinct.
The evolution theory based on fossils has gaps big enough one could fly a 380 through them without wind turbulence from its passing.There is much that science knows and can prove, it is equally true that there is probably as much if not more that we can only speculate about, but I for one do not subscribe to some overall supreme being having control over all of this.
What science knows and can proves is the equivalent of how much water a gnat crapping in the ocean would displace.
If they would spend more time to see how God might have done what God did, with or without the word God, rather than trying to prove what they think is how it should have been done, there would be no quarrels as they would go about it admitting they know nothing and are onlytrying to learn what might, or might not, have happened.
RpRHave any qualifications to back up this claim? By default you appear to class ‘science’ as a singular, collectivist unit which suggests to me that your scientific qualifications come from the university of lyfe.
The idea that they (who?) are “trying to prove what they think is how it should have been done”, whatever that means, is perversely misguided.
In your opinion.
RpRActually – historically they do LOL
The trouble is – one has to differentiate between true religion and power – and unfortunately religion on both ‘sides’ has been the excuse for many wars/violence over the years.
Most Muslims/Christians are peace loving people but the extremists have always been the problem.
The Catholic church used to be (and still is in some countries) the big power broker in the west (say) !
Like many others – I do not read much fiction ; )
The similarity is only there if one ignores reality and wants to pretend it was there.
Christians cannot use the Bible to attack anyone not threatening their life, there is nothing in there to back up such a stance.
There are verses in the Koran to justify them attacking any religion but there own.
The Catholic Church did not use its faith to gain power, it did it the way any political power would and having been the only truly accepted religion of the Roman Empire, which was the act of the emperor not the church, was that tactic but that has nothing to do with the dogma of Christianity.
RpRYou must be smoking something very strong if you do not think that armies in the name of the Catholic church carried out violent invasions etc – also ‘Spanish Inquisition’ anybody ?
I said: — The Catholic Church did not use its faith to gain power , it did it the way any political power would and having been the only truly accepted religion of the Roman Empire, which was the act of the emperor not the church, was that tactic but that has nothing to do with the dogma of Christianity. — of course ignorance is bliss.
Look up Emperor Constantine and his sons and you will see where the Church of Rome gained its power.
This is under Constantine il deuce:
The Western portion of the Empire, under the influence of the Popes in Rome, favored Catholicism over Arianism, and through their intercession they convinced Constantine to free Athanasius, allowing him to return to Alexandria. This action aggravated Constantius II, (his brother) who was a committed supporter of Arianism.
Now this is a few years before the Spanish Inquisition but you know that.
RpRThe Bible as long been used as an excuse— Really, please give some proof for that — for all manner of barbarity, religious factions within Christianity have spent many years fighting amongst themselves and anyone else who happened to get in the way, sounds mighty like the present stance from Islamic fanatics.
As far inter-religion war is concerned, you don’t need to look beyond this country for plenty of historical evidence.
At one time the word of the Catholic Church carried more weight than the power of Kings, Emperors, or any so called Christian state, the Catholic Church at that time would tolerate no opposition from anyone, transgressors would be dealt with in a totally ruthless manner, then of course as other Christian factions decided that they had tired of the rule from Rome, persecution and murder was returned in equal measure.
I suppose that not only are scientists mistaken and wrong, but also our history books must be wrong, strange that. –History books as far as what that wars were fought?
Give me proof that a war was fought because of what Jesus said in the Bible and that history book is a piece of ****e.
The Bible had nothing to do with it except to those who ignore the truth.
Politics is politics while corruption because of the man made biases of my doctrine is better than your doctrine is why so called religious wars were fought between different christian doctrines.
Beyond Protestants fighting Roman Catholics, Protestants fought Protestants and Catholics fought Catholics.
A portion of the difference between Protestant and Roman Catholic doctrine is due to non-Biblical ORAL traditions the RCs say are equal to the Bible in importance. This is a reason priests and other hierarchy wield so much power in the RC church.
It had zero to do with the Bible, if you can prove that the Bible gave reason do so, please do so, else wise you bias is showing.
The Roman Catholic Church gained its power from the former Roman Empire, when the empire became Christian men used that to twist it till their supposed religion it became a weapon of greed. Their arrogance and greed on others using God as an excuse is the reason t had nothing to do with the Bible or God.
It was the nature of man and that is all. Of course the Bible warns of this repeatedly but ignorance is bliss and arrogance is greed.
If you can prove the dogma of the Bible can be used as reason for a war do so.
Do not give quotes of the Old Testament as God’s destruction of the Temple by the hand of the Roman’s put an end to the formal Jewish dogma.
Jesus Gospel replaced it.
It is impossible for them do was was commanded of them in the Old Testament.
In the Koran it says:
3:118: “O you who believe! Take not as your helpers or friends those outside your religion since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the verses if you understand.”
5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the wrong*doers.”
8:39: “And fight them until there is no more disbelief in Islam and the religion will all be for Allâh Alone…”
9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
These verses have been and are being used to murder anyone, including Muslims of the wrong sect, continually.
A man made dogma can be used as an excuse but the Bible cannot.
RpROooh oooh oooh! I think I know this one! The truth is…as you see it? Expect that is what extremist Muslims claim too so, you see, you are actually really quite alike! —- You badly want it to be that way therefore you are rationalizing to make it so.
If you read the right bits you can justify — NO one cannot, one can twist, in one’s mind, what is written but that is anti-thesis of a tome justifying an action — almost all deviant actions – the Westboro Baptists do it all the time…
The Bible says God finds homosexuality to be an abomination, that is it.
It does not command or condone anyone to attack them, it actually says people with logs in there eyes are worried about those with specs in theirs; On the other hand the verses I pasted from the Koran above condone and command what is to be done.
Not the same or even similar, also the Baptist church you mention has been/is loudly condemned by all Christian denominations.
If one were to proclaim such insults about Mohammed one would be subject to a death sentence that is officially proper by Muslim dogma.
Boy are Muslim and Christian dogma alike, yeah sure.
RpRRpR Hell would be eternity with people like you,at least with the JW’s you can boot them of you property.
Well if I reject Jesus gospel that would be correct.
The JWs are trying to play both ends against the middle, and there is nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.
RpRA question or several for the Christians, Forgive me if I bring it down to basics. — Well let’s see:
1 There is one god but there are three of him, God the Father,Son and The Holy Ghost(hereafter called old Spooky) am I right? — One true God of gods, (theologists and therefore Christian denominations are split as to how that works) three persons beard the same spirit base, (think of genes without a physical body) one is the Holy Spook.
2 When The Father finished making the world he realised he had cocked up and people were not behaving as they should(despite floods and turning people into pillars of salt etc) correct? —From the Bible, Jesus is the creator of the physical world.
People were dealt the just rewards of their own arrogance.
Similar arrogance is why Satan and third of the angels fell from heaven.3 So he sends down old spooky which is also him to donk the Virgin Mary and put her in the club and Joseph falls for this. Correct so far? — It is assumed that the Holy Spook did the biologic action, think of Eve being made from Adams rib or a test tube baby, not sex that brought Jesus to man’s world by birth.
Joseph accepted what was happening, not street hustler tricks involved.4 Mary gives birth to Jesus who is also the other two gods which are one to sort this out and save the world. Have I got this right. — See above same spirit base. Separate beings of base substance.
Jesus was fully man which is why Satan tried to temp him and why Jesus prayed that if there were another way for his father to do what must be done, it would appreciated, but as his soul was God, not of man, he accepted that the will of his Father was the power that is to be followed.
5 After a steady job as a chippy with his step dad he gets into religion and politics and the Romans top him. Still with me? — That is all that is known.6 Three days later he rises from the dead(unless the crucifixion was botched) in front of his gang and then ascended into heaven. How did he do that then?
— No he was rejoined with his body and left the tomb when none of his disciples or any other human was around.
He communicated and visited with them after that was done.
RpRPaul – just think if you and I and the others like-minded are wrong we’ll have an interesting surprise but if we are right and they are wrong their lives will have been wasted! We are on a win win!!;)
No from the Christian, Jewish and even Muslim dogma if you are wrong you spend eternity in the region of hell; if Christians are wrong nothing gained nothing lost.
RpRIndeed it does, and yet nothing is said in reproach about David’s love for Jonathan… — Reproach for what?
Judas kissed Jesus.
That this was a homosexual love is something homosexuals want to try to float as why they were so close but that is all.
Sex is not love and love is not sex.
It is pathetically sad that today’s sad society has turned love into something one pays for at a street corner, while in real life it is something men and women have sacrificed their lives because of their true love for others, whether faminly or strangers.23 Saul and Jonathan! They are loved and pleasant in their lives, And in their death they have not been parted. Than eagles they have been lighter, Than lions they have been mightier!
24 Daughters of Israel! for Saul weep ye, Who is clothing you [in] scarlet with delights. Who is lifting up ornaments of gold on your clothing.
25 How have the mighty fallen In the midst of the battle! Jonathan! on thy high places wounded!
26 I am in distress for thee, my brother Jonathan, Very pleasant wast thou to me; Wonderful was thy love to me, Above the love of women!
27 How have the mighty fallen, Yea, the weapons of war perish!’
———————————————————————————————————————————–1 Samuel 20:41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.
1 Samuel 20:42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying, The LORD be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city.
2 Samuel 1:26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
Another example, and one of the few mentions of lesbians:
Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luke17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
34 `I say to you, In that night, there shall be two men on one couch, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
35 two women shall be grinding at the same place together, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
—- Young’s literal translation.
RpRRpR what church do you belong to.
Lutheran
RpRHe was also a rabid anti semite…
In his 1543 work On Jews and Their Lies, Luther ranted that the Jews were not the chosen people but were the devil’s people, and referring to them with violent, obscene language. He advocated burning their synagogues, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, outlawing rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews’ property and money, and smashing up their homes, so that they would be forced into labour or expelled for eternity. Sound familiar?
Not really.
He was sympathetic to them early in life but when they did not covert as he thought in his ignorant rationalization of humanity, he had ****-fit about them for the rest of his life.
Shortly before his death int his sermon he was a bit less asinine but still down on them.
We want to deal with them in a Christian manner now. Offer them the Christian faith that they would accept the Messiah, who is even their cousin and has been born of their flesh and blood; and is rightly Abraham’s Seed, of which they boast. Even so, I am concerned [that] Jewish blood may no longer become watery and wild. First of all, you should propose to them that they be converted to the Messiah and allow themselves to be baptized, that one may see that this is a serious matter to them. If not, then we would not permit them [to live among us], for Christ commands us to be baptized and believe in Him, even though we cannot now believe so strongly as we should, God is still patient with us.
They are our public enemies. They do not stop blaspheming our Lord Christ, calling the Virgin Mary a whore, Christ, a *******, and us changelings or abortions (Mahlkälber: “meal calves”). If they could kill us all, they would gladly do it. They do it often, especially those who pose as physicians—though sometimes they help—for the devil helps to finish it in the end. They can also practice medicine as in French Switzerland. They administer poison to someone from which he could die in an hour, a month, a year, ten or twenty years. They are able to practice this art.
I would have been worried for his soul but as Jesus cried while being led to his execution over what was going to happen to the Jews for rejecting him, I am not.
It is still sad but but human nature is human nature.
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