Seems a shame the Finback II didn’t get wings like the JF-17 for greater versatility when it was introduced in the late 80s.

Speaking of the Phantom, how does it compare to the J-8II? Can we do a quick side by side comparison for speed, acceleration, climb, rate of turn, ceiling, range etc?

It does not take, comparatively, that much effort to re-wing an aircraft.
I seriously wonder if the Chinese gov. has not considered that, in the future.
The J-8 will do something many of today’s newer aircraft cannot do, get up an boogie from point a to b post haste.

The Phantom does not have the range of the J-8II, without wing tanks.
With the wing it has, the J-8 cannot turn with a Phantom as the Phantom has a wing loading of high 70s and the J-8 low 90s.
If it got on a turning fight with a f-105, they would be on equal terms.

If the J-8 had the low loading wing of the F-106, it would be very similar most likely, to a great degree, with the exception that the Six always flew clean, even fully loaded.

The JF-17 reminds me of the basic swept-wing pointed nose jet fighter, ala Mirage F-1, Grumman F-11 Tiger way back to the Lockheed XF-90.

Rick. This is not the first, very young child to have been wounded by this particular make and model of this Firearm in your Country.Also, I cannot seem to find anything in the 2nd, that relates to the youngest age one must be to be allowed to own a Sect1 Firearm, is there one?, or does this vary from State to State, by a Local Law, bit of “Bending”.of the 2nd?.
Jim.
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Laws have changed from state to state, but they still control how old one must be to purchase, or be allowed alone with one, i.e. go out hunting.

There is no age limit I know that prevents any one from giving any child a firearm. After it is given laws determine how it may be handled outside the owners property.

City laws apply to adults not children; if an adult cannot do neither can a child for those who would make an obtuse statement.

“If a 5 year old can have a gun and kill someone can you execute them for murder at the same age?”— The American mentality is better than the one that would make such a silly statement.

I mean the small plane comes stealthy shoots downs the enemy and goes home for supper. Of course it can turn fast too with low wing loading and reclined position the pilot can withstand 12 Gs easily….maybe even 16.

ROFL

Geez, first you ignore basic physics, now you ignore bio-physicis.

Your aeroplane can do none of the things you are postulating here, you know it, but then this is science fiction, at least hopefully, as in a shooting war, your plane will send it pilots down to be worm food.

You don’t think that the problem might have been that the child pointed the gun at another child and pulled the trigger?

You have an excellent point there.

I was told to never point a gun at another person.

Just when you think it can’t get any crazier, you find guns specifically aimed (pardon the pun) at the child market, with the inevitable tragic consequences. For God’s sake, wake up America.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22386105

The only problem here was that a firearm that SHOULD have been unloaded was not.

I was taught at a very young age to treat all guns as loaded, when you got old enough to hold one, you were taught to CHECK to see if it was.

Sadly humans are not perfect and what happened was perfectly human.

I always thought that J8-II series were stop gap solution for China evolved from pure interceptors J8-I, until sufficient number of multirole 4th gen fighters (J10/J11) in service. And it is clear sufficient number of J10/J11 was not available until 21th Century.

From what I have read, the J-8 survived because the engine for and therefore the J-9 was cancelled. (Although it seems the Chinese kept changing the requirements for the J-9 until they were unobtainable)

Sorry I counted the wingloading with full plane MTOW.

I see several MIGs..what was the kill ratio with 105s ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-105_Thunderchief

Kill ratio only counts with air-superiority which the 105 never was.

All their air to air came either after unloading bombs to engage, or during a bombing run.

The advantage was always in the Mig’s favour.

If an agile interceptor like the Mig 17 can be shot out of the sky by a heavy less agile fighter bomber like the 105, your aircraft would not stand a snowballs chance in hell against modern air superiority type fighters from Russia, or any where.

Should Mig or Sukhoi look to build a single engine multi role jet using radars engines and avionics already in production to keep costs down something like a F-16 – J-10 a better JF-17 with a view to supporting Russian aliened air forces as a lot of them are now looking to replace they Mig-21’s and 23’s

Make as large as a JH-7 or F-105 would make more sense.

Russians have engine technology that the Chinese do not so they should be be able to make an aircraft that could carry the load of a JH-7 with the speed of a 105 on a single engine.

One of the F-105s greatest attributes was that it could outrun, maintaining that speed for a great distance, anything at zero altitude if need be to leave a active war zone, while also being extremely robust.