It was extremely fast for it’s time.
It was the first mach 2 fighter in service.
It was limited by its knife edge wings.
If seriously overheated they would go away in the worst manner.

Here is the secret weapon at the heart of every J-20


Why not? He has a point here. J-20 could indeed fit the role best of all new designs.. Whatever the Russians come up with, it might have some similarities with this bird.
Oh please, just as the U.S. has their black projects, I have little doubt that the Russians also have theirs.
The Russians may not be as far ahead of the Chinese as the U.S. but the Russian planes are far closer to the tech level of the U.S. than the Chinese.
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Despite some political and can’t we all just get along bs, not a bad movie at all.
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Despite some political and can’t we all just get along bs, not a bad movie at all.
But the F-104 isn’t and he asking for a direct comparison, hence it is more appropriate a question for the historic section.
There is a private firm in the U.S. that still does contract work for the military with Starfighters.
As far as that goes, any fighter from any country, post 1960 is relevant as armed forces have in there data banks information of past performances that is still used for comparison.
I am interested in this but not sure what you are getting at in relation to this thread? Are you suggesting that if its in the public domain one can assume there are far more exotic things going on behind closed doors?
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With the USAF, what you read, hear or even actually see, may be what you actually get, but only a fool would bet even a plug nickle on the information given to the public domain.
At the F-106 sites that is run by person who flew and dealt with them, pilots of other planes at times give an insight into the Air Force during their years, and a few are active pilots.
As interesting as the absolute fact stories are, the items where they simply do not give straight answers in a manner that one knows that one has heard all that will be told of a far larger item, makes one the most curious.
Even the Six pilots and ground crew sometimes, on a system that has been retired for over twenty years will on occasion simply say, if they even reply– I cannot tell you that.
I asked one pilot how far north the Sixes had gone (theoretically they could shoot down a intruding aircraft where Canada gives way to the Arctic ice pack)
One fellow gave me the ADC districts of the U.S..
Another pilot responded by saying those were just formal (paper work) boundaries not interception limits)
No one ever told me how far north, or actually any direction, they had ever gone or could go, on a mission.
One story from a former SR-71 pilot who knows some of the Six pilots:
Pilots could, and still do, use ground systems to run a check on the accuracy of their instruments. I.e. they will ask ground control for their speed and altitude and compare the reading to their instruments should be showing.
Apparently the Air Force pilots would call in once in a while, this info went over the public airwaves, just because they could.
On this mission the SR was at near maximum altitude and mach 3, so they called in just to see how ground control responded. (They had heard several civilian pilots do a speed-altitude check)
Now the SR pilot did not tell use what his mission really was nor did he say he knew the details of why the Air Force had him there.
When he called in the ground control they gave an altitude and speed twenty thousand feet higher than he was and many hundreds of mph faster than he was going.
The SR responded, he said “Am I really?”
There was a long silent break and ground control replied with correct speed and altitude in an apologetic voice that indicated the controller knew he had given the wrong aircraft and should not have broadcast what he had.
The SR pilot was flying a shadow mission for an aircraft that was much higher and faster than his in the same flight pattern.
His plane did not truly hide the other, but made it harder to detect.
The persons, to whom the SR pilot was giving that bit of trivia to, responded with the attitude of — yeah there used to be a lot of that type thing going on back then.
I doubt it has changed, so all those paper performance figures that are so hotly debated here, may be pure bs, or close to the real deal but I doubt any are truly accurate.
I am going to post this so those of you overseas know that the USAF is a matter of what you read, hear or see, may be the tip of an iceberg, a phantom or disinformation bs.
In the late eighties, at least five year after the SAGE system had been shut down, a friend of mine were visiting a museum at a defunct airbase in Michigan.
A ways away from the proper museum were some buildings of brick construction and few to no windows that many military installations had.
Even though it was a closed air base and there was nothing from the museum over there we just decided to wander over and look any way.
Well we got there and there was nothing there except the buildings, no vehicles just buildings and grass.
We turned around and were greeted by two armed service men with rifles at the ready who very bluntly asked us what we were doing there.
We told them we were curious to see what might have been over there.
They said we should return to the civilian area and not return to this area.
We had no idea where they came from, or where they went.
They pretty much seemed to come out of nowhere. The only doors on the buildings they did not come out of.
There was nothing but open space around the buildings.
As I said it was really odd as this was supposed to be a totally non-active installation.
I have dealt with MPs at military installations and unless it is an open house, they are always strictly business, as one can best see by the way they carry their weapons.
These gents were very serious.


Sweet Kervyn, that is a sweet one.
To me that looks to be exatcly B-58 sized.
Unless that cockpit is ten to fifteen feet long not even close.
B-58 was 96 feet
F-106 was 70 feet
F-105 was 64 feet
Pak Fa is 72 feet
I had forgotten the SR-71 was 107 feet
More marketing fantasy. Fuel for the type of combat radius USAF desires requires a big vehicle. Think B-58 or TU-22 size.
Not even near that large.
The F-106 and F-105 had very long range and were not much larger than the PakFa.
Actually the PakFa is longer than either.
Depends. Republican chances don’t look good at the moment, but a lot can change in three years. Another bunch of Saudis in another airliner and America will be in Iran within a month. :p
Iranians and Saudi are totally different ethnic groups, why would Saudi have anything to do with Iran.
Vietnam and Iraq are not even basically related as far as type of war fought.
If you want to find out what Vietnam was about come to Mn and talk to some of the South Vietnamese and Laotian veterans that live here and they will tell you what the war in their country was about.
The liberal bs you hear on the network news is just nothing more than biased liberal bs.