Awesome shot of the IL-76s displaying some fireworks.
From Ru MoD twitter
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHhT2paXsAAE2XB.jpg: orig
So many F-22 fans don’t like hearing about how that plane isn’t the greatest.
Thats what the murican fanboys believed to the core and wanted all others to believe as well.
What we saw and heard in the media when the F-22 was promoted was —->
1) It will be the last US manned fighter!
2) Next will be the age of unmanned fighters!
Then the Russians revealed the PAK-FA out of nowhere, that too almost in record time!!!
What we saw next was….
A proposal for 6th Gen US manned fighter!
10 sailors missing after USS John S. McCain collides with oil tanker
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uss-john-s-mccain-collides-merchant-ship/
It looks like anything that goes by the name John McCain is a disaster for the American tax payers.
@ Berkut,
Thakyou for those details and pics.
– Zhuk-A grew from ~600 to 1016 (iirc) t/r’s due to improvements to the cooling. The cooling is in part by fluid (plain water iirc) and air. In the Zhuk-A pics the red thingy at the back is the air intake, blue line running along the bottom is for water. Asked about if Okhotnik work is something he was familiar with, heard about it but didnt have direct connection to it. Same with Zaslon work.
Does it mean both of those units displayed now have 1016 t/r units?
Are they both using the T/R modules made from LTCC, if so why is the earlier model of Zhuk-A still so bulky in its front end? Probably those water cooling lines?
Do you have a rear end view of this Zhuk-AMEh unit? Is it still the designation?
https://i.imgur.com/9BGZ3ri.jpg
What about the rumours of Egyptian MiG-29s to get the Zhuk-AMEh in the future deliveries?
INS Vikrant, going the same way as INS Vikramaditya. The shipyard gets all the blame for funding and other policy/decision related problems.
@swerve
Are you sure? The ‘punch’ depends on fire control. Sensors, combat system etc. greatly affect its effectiveness. Also, consider the roles of these ships. Which would you rather have against submarines?
Think about the ASW capabilities. What equivalent of the OQQ-22 & OQR-3 does the Talwar-class have? It has a short-range ASW rocket launcher, but what that could match the Type 07? Teruzuki could have 24 of ’em aboard, & still carry more ESSM than Tabar has Shtil.
Yes, almost all of it depends on the sensors. But the combat effectiveness of sensors are all mostly based on publicized specs rather than based on proper combat exposure against any worthy opponents. So all those are likely to be subjective. This is not meant to say that Akizuki does not have a better integrated fit than Talwar class which is a mid-late 90s fit. I would love to see an upgrade some of which I have mentioned above.
Regarding ASW, Talwar class does have a bow mounted sonar and towed array. It can also be armed with those 40Km range 91RTE2 Klub anti-sub missiles as against the 22Km of Type07. But the max number will be limited to 8 and will be at the cost of anti-shipping missiles. So its not like Talwar class is handicapped with longer range anti-sub missiles.
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Regarding the missile load out, If I understood the MK41 VLS correctly, with your mentioned 24 x Type07 anti-sub missiles, we are left with 8 cells for ESSM. The armament carried by both ships will looks like this –
Akizuki
– 8 x Type-90 anti-ship
– 24 x Type07 anti-sub
– 32 x ESSM (quad-pack per cell) air-defence
Compared to the much smaller Talwar class
– 8 x Klub/Brahmos anti-ship/sub
– 1 x RBU-6000 (72-96 rockets) anti-sub
– 24 x Shtil-I air-defence
– 64 x 9M311 (32 x missiles per Kashtan-M mount) air-defence
And this is a frigate which is oriented towards anti-shipping.
@Blitzo
I think it might be easier just to straight up buy an export variant of the Gorshkov class if the IN wants Gorshkov-esque subsystems on a Talwar frigate.
Outside of superior AShMs, I think a Talwar class FFG’s sensor and weapons suite is quite a bit inferior to the Akizuki class. That isn’t a knock against the Talwar class — the Akizuki class is a larger warship by nearly 3000 tons with a much more recent sensor suite and fire control system in the form of FCS-3A, as well as the benefit of quad packed ESSMs in a 32 cell Mk-41
Going for a new platform without exploring the possibility to upgrade the existing platform/system is not a good idea. But its meant to do the job and oriented towards anti-shipping or anti-sub depending on the mission.
11356/Talwar class is like that of a T-72 family MBT, the basic design/layout is good and presents (and have shown) good upgrade potential. The current Talwar class does not have those integrated multi faceted arrays and publicized systems like Akizuki class.
Few changes/upgrades that I would love to see…
1) An integrated mast atop the bridge
2) It frees up the area aft of the island where currently the twin guidance unit and associated/other systems are installed.
3) This area can instead be utilized to install 4 x twin-quad packed Kh-35UE cells (like that of Bal-E costal syatem)
4) Larger sonar/dome
5) Podberezovik-EТ1 long range 3D radar atop the hanger
^ Install 4 such unit amidship after clearing the area.
This is what we will get in terms of air-defence and anti-ship/land attack cruise missile numbers after a modification which is very much possible.
Integrated mast (22350 cut/modify & paste)
36 x 9M317/M (based on the displayed model)
24-32 x Kh-35UE amidship (or Klub; consideration being weight rather than space)
OR
Integrated mast (22350 cut/modify & paste)
36 x 9M317M
16 x Kh-35UE amidship
64 x 9M317M amidship (containerized like that of Buk-M3)
^ It has got one of the most beautiful hull lines but a little cluttered above the bridge and amidship. With a good/simple modification/upgrade, even those cluttering will be gone.
Gains since January 2017
MiG-29 is probably the only aircraft that did not see much action in Syria. Russians could have deployed some of their SMT for strike role. They can still deploy those K/KUB and gain some combat experience for the pilots.
This thread has deteriorated into pro-Turkish political propaganda. Why have the moderators not shut it down? Our forum is meant to be for aviation-related topics.
Hardly anything deteriorating. But you made clear what you wanted with this thread.
11356 @ Tartous naval base, Syria, few days before the Russian navy day celebration
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