JangBoGoWould this be a Mig Bailout?
you mean like the bailout for C-17 with new contract from IAF…..?
JangBoGoMiG-29 production enters transformation
By Vladimir KarnozovRSK MiG is beginning to wind down production of its “classic” MiG-29 design, as it completes a final batch of the aircraft for Myanmar.
The company’s plants in Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod and Lukhovitsy will shift to producing the newer MiG-29K/KUB/M1/M2/35 unified platform.
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|RSK MiG says three aircraft have been delivered to Myanmar, with three more being shipped to the customer and the last due to arrive in 2012.
The nation ordered “about 20 classics, chiefly MiG-29SE single-seaters and a few MiG-29UBs,” said Vladimir Barkovsky, chief of the company’s engineering centre.
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|“We will continue to innovate in our manufacturing methods to increase the [annual] output [of the Moscow plant] from 12 to 24”, said general designer – general director Sergey Korotkov.
The company’s current backlog for the type is five years, he added, noting that some customers “do not want to wait that long for their new airplanes”.
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|Korotkov said 11 MiG-29K/KUB shipborne fighters have been delivered to the Indian navy, with the remaining aircraft from a 16-aircraft launch order to be handed over by the end of this year.
A follow-on contract for 29 more aircraft was signed earlier this year, with these to be delivered from 2012.
Korotkov said India is “completely satisfied” with the performance of its MiG-29K/KUBs, after racking up more than 1,000 flight hours during operational trials over a one-year period.
The Russian navy has also shown interest in the K/KUB model, he said, with an initial order for 12-14 aircraft potentially being signed during this month’s MAKS air show in Moscow.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/08/10/360592/mig-29-production-enters-transformation.html
11 x MiG-29K/KUB having flown more than 1,000 hours is good sign and the average comes more than 90 hours per frame. Major chunk of that flight hours might have been logged by the first batch of 6 (or 4?) fighters. The flight hour figure shows the a/c is being pretty much heavily used.
JangBoGoSo much for the ” oh it was just a birdstrike! ” Bloody dangerous bird those S-125s, eh ?:D .So would this second F-117 be the one that was w/o because of ” birdstrike “?
Well slightly off topic but who knows , maby we’ll gt the yanks to admit how many aircraft they lost in GW air-to air too, sometime .:diablo:
lol…..so now we have to watchout more carefully all the “birdstrike” that happens during hostilities. Afterall anything that flies is a “bird”. 😀
Btw, was the F-15 that crashed in Libya during the campaign also due to “birdstrike”? :confused:
And never expect the Yanks to admit anything regarding the “losses”, thats what history says. The Yankee way of life is simple – Lie & continue to lie till you are proven wrong with hard evidence. Garry Powers & U2 is the prime example. India have a “good” neighbor on the western side who follows the Yankee way wholeheartedly.
JangBoGoIgor have got something w.r.t new development in Russian AIP (ECG/Fuel-Cell)
http://igorrgroup.blogspot.com/2011/09/new-aip-modules-in-russia-brief-report.html
New AIP modules in Russia – brief report
TsKB Rubin is testing an AIP generator for submarines, RIAN reported in Sep 13 according to Rubin’s Gen Director Andrey Dyachkov. He criticized the German hydrogen elements for flammability of their storage. The currently developed Russian AIP is built on the same electro-chemical generation principle, as hydrogen elements, but uses different less flammable reagents. The chemical ingredients used in the new AIP are not disclosed however. Like foreign analogs the last Russian AIP is built in plug-in module. Dyachkov also said Rubin is working in parallel to improve the lithium-ion batteries for subs. Currently the installation of lithium-ion batteries allows to make underwater time longer on 40%, while it’s only 35-40% of the theoretically limits of this technology.
(to note: 4 years ago on BRF discussions I have pointed out about signs of efforts for developing much more powerful lithium-ion batteries for submarines instead of less powerful lead or silver-zinc accumulators or unsafe and sub-powerful hydrogen elements.)
Posted by Igor Djadan at 10:28 AM
and the link to the report
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20110913/436639922.html
I’d said about Russian closed-cycle diesel AIP development in the last thread in response to a member, I remembered it after seeing Igor’s blog. So here is the info if not already posted. As I said in earlier post, the Russian development is a compact one which can be accommodated inside a 1.9m diameter hull with a power capacity of 240kW-320kW and rated for depth upto 2,000m. In comparison the French MESMA installed on the Agosta-90B and also meant for the Scorpene class is a 240kW unit.
below are attached images from the document that was published 5-6 years back, if i’m not wrong.
JangBoGowhat a sad state of affairs w.r.t ships…. if they had put all the time and money in upgrading & putting back to service the 12+18 (Udaloys & Sovermennys), it would have been better. The recent Libyan conflict for sweet oil showed the real sad state of Russian military & Navy in particular, as well as the state of NATO inventory 😉
JangBoGoI-mast yet to be installed …
Good looking. That high bow, waistline, 30mm behind the 76mm etc giving sort of the new Gepard class feel to it.
Any export orders?
JangBoGoGuys,
I thought it was an INDIAN NAVY Discussion thread….shall we start a new thread to discuss what is being discussed now?
JangBoGoHi guys, missed few details….can anyone tell what was the new cone shaped thing that is on the T-50 (51) that is now installed on its tail?
JangBoGoDoes anyone think Australia should have invested in India’s AMCA as a legacy hornet replacement instead of the f-35 ? Judging by specs the AMCA looks like a good long term strike and air superiority platform than the F-35 currently has and it sort of ressembles the old IML Addax proposal that the aussies were considering before the hornet buy
I find the question rather silly. First of all you invest in something that have atleast a proven background. HAL or AMCA does not have that, even though some hardcore brainless nationalist will argue against that. My strong opinion is for India not to repeat the mistakes that it did with LCA and rather I’d prefer them to go to the Japanese with a proposal to make a JV and merge their light-medium “5th Gen” aircaft programme into a single base entity.
JangBoGoNot necessarily, at least not with modern AESA arrays and lighter processing equipment. The Israeli G550-based CAEW has more endurance and a more capable system than the A-50 despite being based on a significantly smaller platform.
And with the number of Russian aviation production plants that are wanting for orders why couldn’t room be found for a dedicated military MS-21 limited-series production line?
Hi Witcha, just a quick reply without reading any further posts….little time constraint.
I think we need to take the range figures for both of the platforms little more carefully. Gulfstream is a commercial entity and does have all the skills to properly project their product unlike Ilyushin.
As far as I’ve read, the G550 does have around 9hours or more (9+ hours) of flight range. It was also mentioned that the G550 that came to India for display at AeroIndia flew non-stop from Israel, which confirms its long range with all the payload.
The thing about the A-50 is that its range is quoted as 4 hours. Which on the first note looks very small. But look to the specs more closely and we’ll see that that range quoted is for the patrol time (on-station), 1000Km from the base. And it also says this 4+ hour endurance can be extended with mid-air refuelling.
Now, if I’m remember correctly, the cruising speed of the A-50 is 450-480Km/h which means, to reach the patrol area it spends over 2 hours in flight and another 2+ hours back to the base. Which will give a total flight endurance of the big 4-engined A-50 being more than 8 hours.
I’ve put the figures that came to my mind and if there is any errors in the cruising speed and other figures, please correct it. I don’t know the specifics of the G550 and how much is that 9 hours expanded. If someone know more details for the G550, please share it to give a good comparison with the A-50.
If A-50’s range is to be increased, the engine needs to be changed. But not with PS90A3 or anything, but it has to be powered with NK-93!
JangBoGoSo whats up with Arihat? Any decent photos?
Ordinary Indians get to see their own National assets after all others have seen it. You should try some Italian Naval forum to see if any new photos have been released. Photo of INS Arihant was released on internet by the usual sensationalist from Livefist….
INS Arihant’s photo “leak” was the most shameful that we Indians had to face. It did not come up with MoDs annual report or from the Services report, but from a political party’s annual progress report. Which means all the idiots who prepare the progress report and cleard it for publication had seen the photo earlier than any of the ordinary Indians….including the people entrusted with printing it. And for sure, all the “interested” western guys might have got it as well.
The talk of hiding the sub from satellites, strict censoring of the camera during the ceremony etc by the Indian Navy looks like a comedy after seeing the photo of the Navy’s secret sub in ploitical party’s annual report. Lets hope that atleast for the 2nd sub the Navy will avoid such comedy and give clearance to the National Broadcaster Doordarshan (DD) to telecast it live for all the Indians to watch.
Just in case we don’t see the Navy giving clearance, you can always wait for the next annual report of the congress party. :diablo:
Work on the 2nd Arihant class is progressng…
http://www.asianage.com/india/india-begins-work-2nd-nuclear-submarine-184
India begins work on 2nd nuclear submarine
Jul 10, 2011 – Manoj K. Das |India has begun construction of its second nuclear submarine at a classified facility in Visakhapatnam.
Top sources told Deccan Chronicle that the keel of the project has been laid and the initial work is on full swing.
The project, launched just 24 months after the first nuclear submarine INS Arihant was commissioned – underlines the great strides the programme has made, sources said.
“The second programme took far lesser time than Arihant to reach the shipyard from the drawing board. This time we had a clear plan and we had learned a lot from our mistakes,” sources said.
If the 2nd submarine really went to the shipyard from the drawing board, it would mean the 2nd boat is having some changes from 1st unit.
JangBoGoWhat exactly does that mean?
To be frank I did not pay much attention when the local reporter was reporting and mayhave missed a few details. But here are some that I recollect….during the mansoon it would be hard for guys to keep operating a boat without cover. Also the reporter mentioned about lack of trained guys to operate & keep the the boats operational.
But the blame for me not paying attention on the report has to go to the Frenchies 😉 …….because the boat that the reporter boarded looked like a very ordinary boat that we find in most of the pleasure boat sites…with windshield and no cover.
It looks like these boats were bought in a hasty manner without proper judgement of operating areas after some salesman bombarded the establishment about how the 26/11 incidents can be stopped with boats like these. They may have even played a good video of chase and boarding the suspected vessel and Mubmai getting secured.:D …..If these boats are meant to secure the coastline and intercept the intruder, then its going to be a tough call. They will struggle to keep the boat in line in the seas where they intend to patrol & intercept. Indian coastline are not calm even during the best of seasons and it looks like the guys bought boats that are good for river patrol.
JangBoGoA PAF pilot I spoke to at Farnborough said the JF-17 had a TWR > 1. The 98kN engine gives you just >1 for the normal take off weight. So, I believe they do have the higher thrust engine.
A few years ago the Chinese were askinh the Russians for higher thrust in the RD-93. So I see no reason why a higher thrust RD-93 would be available, advertised as an engine for the FC-1/JF-17 AND NOT SOLD TO PAF! I am sure a few dozen JF-17s might have the earlier lower thrust engines.
The spec that I saw for the JF-17 does not mention about the 98KN thrust engine anywhere. Neither does Klimov in their site mention RD-93 with that thrust level, even though they do mention about engine with 112KN thrust as a passing comment.
I think if the PAF had got the 98KN thrust engine, we would have heard about it by now from Pakistani members…. but nothing so far:confused:
JangBoGoprithvi is going nowhere. with that 1 tonne warhead it would be used to target high value static targets. prahaar is a different category altogether.
wait & watch buddy……. lets see how long the Prithvi is going to hold on against the much better Prahaar. I feel that Prithvi will be replaced eventually by Prahaar as IAs battle field missile.
As you said 1ton for high valued target….that can be done by Prahaar with a salvo of 6 missiles totalling 1,200Kg. Or are you skeptical regarding the accuracy of the 6 missile fired to reach the same target?
JangBoGoWhat do you mean by “only option”?what “fact” are you talking of?
you can see the same thing in what you posted
Other than the system being a liquid fueled,its still our best choice to take down the enemy targets with a wide variety of targets
As far as I know there was no other battlefield ballistic missile in Indian inventory and a missile with 1ton payload. So Prithvi was the only option to punch the enemy and hence had to live with the cumbersome nature of the units. The fact meaning Prithvi being a liquid feueld missile with its tail of support vehicles which makes it cumbersome.
If there was a solid fuel variant available for the army with lower support vehicles, IA for sure would have preferred it over Prithvi liquid-fuelled.
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