indeed, the 21 should have no chance against the 104 if the later would be used as it was designed to…

The 104 was a great plane

BTW it’s true that it was not a plane for beginners, but it was as safetly as other planes. The 336 Sg of the HAF could fly over 1000 h without any accident. It was not it’s mission to fly low with bombs …it was the pure fighter/interceptor fly high in the blue sky and not in the fog of the German landscape….noone wonders by those accident rate of the Luftw. …poor guys…

yes, more at the LSP (largescaleplanes.com) look at articles/ jet aviation scroll down for the F-5

As far as I now those F-4s had taken their roundels in the US plus small greek flags on the intake or fin side. The flags were removed then in Greece.

Official is that the HAF has the dark blue for the roundel. There are also some proposals to left only the blue roundels without white between them for low visibilty!

greetings too

Arthur,

this is a “US-made” roundel. Indeed the HAF roundels where in the 70es in light blue. But from the 80es until today the official blue is the FS15044. Exeptions of the rule where the roundels of the Mirage F1 and the roundels of the first F-16s (also painted in the US) and the german RF-4Es (also painted in Germany). But now after IRAN the roundels are painted in the 15044.

well I’m not trying to compare the good old Phantom with the raptor, but I just think one of those fired AMRAAMs will make a kill, and what a kill : an expensive one!
Exersises are ok but real war conditions much different…
I asked a HAF F-16 pilot what he thinks about the quality differences. He said he flew F-5As before he converted to the falcon and he didn’t had a radar. He (almost) always made a identification with his own eyes miles away, getting the advantage even with the much better turkisch falcons. In a such situation he never made the mistake to get in dog fight with the falcons, just “fire” my sidewider and get lost…
Eye identif. gave the F-5s pilots many times the advantage to get a better position against a F-16 with “bad-untrained” eyes looking in his radar scope….

60, 90, 100, 150 180 Millions 😮 ….my goodness, what happend whith the original light weight fighter theory/practice???….. :confused:

very sad… 🙁