theres a big article on the GR4 in afghanistan on flight global which is of interest.:)
I don’t think that “Russia is no enemy to the west” is a good enough arguement though:
Potential enemies are hard to predict and this aircraft is a symbol of what sort of technology will be available to Russian customers in the next 2 decades.
You can argue that the F35 gives Europe a 5th generation capability, but within 10 years Rafale and Typhoon will be about as well developed as possible and the PAK-FA will be exportable in various forms….
with regards to the whole Euro canard thing, there are a few things to consider:
this wonderful (and it is great) new aircraft has at least 10 years to go before its in Russian service (realistically). That means there is a lot of time for US and European 4th generation (or whatever you want to call the canard/ teen combinations) aircraft to be relevant in export competitions to countries that will never see a 5th generation aircraft.
It will guarantee engine, TVC, avionics and weapons upgrades to the Typhoon in particular
And it will hardly have been a surprise to the European aircraft manufacturers will it….?
ok,
now i think about it i can see what using any of the vertical thrust elements in flight might do to the F35. Thanks for being gentle with me 😀
nothing like a good VIFF though eh?
the future of this website is now assured!
as a long standing fan of the YF23, I can now rest easy that it is in the air in some form at least!
(thats if you discount the BLACK project rumours).
I think this aircraft is going to be very good for the Western Defence Industry, because its going to secure the future of the F35 and Typhoon Tranche 3 at the very least.
A beautiful and very Russian take on the 5th Generation theme, and heartwarming that all new aircraft don’t have to look like a very soul less F22…
Good Job all round!:D
hello,
i’m slightly wary of posting in this febrile atmosphere but please be kind….
The Harrier was capable of VIFFing (and was famous for doing so against Argentine Mirages and the like over the falklands. This was the use of verctored thrust to suddenly change the position of the aircraft relative to its pursuer…
cannot the same be applied to the F35? I’m sure they haven’t got to testing that sort of thing yet, but doesn’t the principle apply in the same way?:confused:
surely you don’t mean that the ROE for this could have been legitimate, rather than a Cessna simulation?!:rolleyes:
if it looks like an YF23 then can I become a Fanboy please?!
The YF23 was so much more interesting to look at than the F22.
It could be beautiful even….;)
I hope we’re not talking about active cancellation again?
MOst people use the term Stealth to refer to shaping and RAM, and thats how i read the previous comments anyway…
sorry what i meant was, that from your reply it seems that the CAS missions for the B1 were more opportunistic than for example having one loiter over the battlefield on call.
I confess that I don’t know how they are being deployed over Afghanistan or indeed how often, but I had read of them providing strikes upon request at short notice on the way to refuel…
seemed like the sort of thing you could apply to any sophisticated large aircraft with a bomb-bay….
that was all:)
i would be astounded if the F35 were cancelled.
I remember having an incredibly similar debate about the F35B a few years ago, and low and behold that is going from strength to strength.
There is no such thing as a modern fighter aircraft that does not embrace the theories behind “stealth”. To debate that is a total waste of time. Its arguing for the sake of it in my opinion.
Whether or not you are a fan of US “5th Generation” systems or European delta canards ( of course T50 or S50 included too), its apparent that LO is a feature that is just standard now isn’t it?:(
thanks J_Boyle, your B1 point helps put some press reports into perspective for me then.
do you say that they are being used more by chance (when they are on the scene) than being a stalwart of the CAS taxi rank?
thanks.
i got the impression that they were being rushed through because BAE was in cahoots with the MOD (mutual benefit). I would have thought its the sort of need that is unquenchable if you know what i mean (a few more Reapers will help, but they could always use more and would prefer a home grown product…)?
i remember reading in about 10 years ago that the MR4 would make a very capable platform for Storm Shadow launch.
I mean really, if the USAF are using B1s for CAS in Afghanistan, then you could argue that a plane the size of the MR4 has multiple potential uses.
I’ve always felt that although its a very very capable platform, its very much under threat from its for image in the UK (both public and political).
If the RAF is going to have to give up platforms to allow the army to continue to exist, then a multi tasking platform is surely great value for money?
i’m not realy asking for a list of projects (which would not be totally secret obviously), i was wondering if people thought such a thing would still be a possibility in Europe in this day and age…
I suppose Barracuda was developed by EADS in secret.
It not exactly HALO though is it….
Ah, HALO;)