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January 10, 2010 at 2:51 pm in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode X #2421879

mrmalaya
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hello,

don’t want to waste anyone’s time here, but where is the best image of what this aircraft will look like please?

there is quite a lot of variation on the web and I’m sure it will be brutally attractive…

January 10, 2010 at 2:49 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2421884

mrmalaya
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Tmor, is there something official? i remember thinking at the time that it was a nice story but it was never backed up by fact.

or was it?

swerve- perhaps jackjack meant that they turned communist?:)

January 10, 2010 at 2:46 pm in reply to: the F-35, does it make any sense? #2421893

mrmalaya
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i confess its not something that i put alot of thought into, but what you say makes sense on all levels.

I don’t see how its spells the end for Typhoon or Rafale though. I would have thought that by the time the F35 moves beyond its initial operation configuration these projects will naturally be at a replacement stage anyway (insofaras governments will be thinking about what replaces them, and that wont be the F35).

The F35, particularly the B variant is a survivor and will prove to be a very long lived system in my eyes.

January 10, 2010 at 2:33 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2421903

mrmalaya
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hi c-seven

i guess i misunderstood this section:

– now there is the argument that the EF team are 4 nations vs 1. It’s really a misleading argument. Dassault staff never made smear campaign against the EF but they still said some. There is one I tell here just because it make it easier to understand:
“the addition of several incompetence has never made excellence: it just makes a BIGGER incompetence”. Take it easy, again it’s just to transmit the concept without flame intended.
Think about it: if size was always the main factor to be good, General Motors wouln’t be in the state it is by now…

you’re not saying that the eurofighter nations are incompetent aircraft builders then, its just an idea that rafale has put around?

January 10, 2010 at 2:12 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2421907

mrmalaya
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i spent too many years of my life debating the Rafale v Typhoon and this was before they were both operational.

I think its fair to say, and even some of the contributors on this forum who are pro-rafale would agree, that there is not a major gap between them.

to suggest that the french are just naturally better at building aircraft is silly, and doesn’t help the debate.

To me (with far too many years of following Typhoon and the like under my belt), the way this result has been portrayed is at best unlikely and at worst embarassing.

Its like suggestions that Typhoon locked up an F22 whilst the RAF was deployed over there.

January 10, 2010 at 1:33 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2421924

mrmalaya
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hello TMor i think we are misunderstanding each other.

I believe typhoon and Rafale are comparable (and the f22 superior) systems in the A2A arena.

the results are spectacularly one sided, they are not just a win for Rafale.

This is why i think something (the context) has been left out by the French Airforce.

I assume you are saying that they are joking when they talk about the RAF, but if it turns out there was more to this result than a triumph for Rafale then won’t they have oeuf on their face?

🙂

January 10, 2010 at 1:18 pm in reply to: the F-35, does it make any sense? #2421931

mrmalaya
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i reckon if the F35 was totally american then people would be happier to pay for it.

The fact that the British were in on it from the beginning probably causes people to frown.

just a thought, but it doesn’t make sense why US support for the programme is so fickle.

Its a fantastic aircraft in all forms and ticks a lot of boxes for the US.

January 10, 2010 at 1:12 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2421938

mrmalaya
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Hi Quadbike,

what i’m getting at is that this portrays Rafale to be significantly better at A2A than Typhoon in the hands of the RAF (when the consensus over the years was that they are comparable, with Rafale being better at A2G and just about the same as Typhoon in the a2A).

The questioning of the RAF prowess, the way a devasting result has come out from a single source with no subsequent support across from military, industry or media…

it smells wrong. the motives smell wrong.

January 10, 2010 at 12:53 pm in reply to: Pakistan Air Force II #2421957

mrmalaya
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greetings one and all!

Don’t know if this has been covered but it is a long topic:

Does the PAF have plans for a hunter/killer UAV like the Mantis or Reaper?

I understood that it did because its much more politcially acceptable for the PAF (or army?) to do the hunting in the NW and border region than the CIA.

January 10, 2010 at 12:45 pm in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2421960

mrmalaya
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greetings!

This may have been said before so apologies and please don’t take it the wrong way.

Why does this keep happening to Rafale? There is obviously something wrong with the whole French export process. I don’t doubt that this will be Rafales year (UAE probably) but not in BRasil.

I do think that its a toss up between Rafale and Gripen NG, both having now been selected in various ways, but NG is a very capable aircraft and everything about it “says” affordable to nations like Brasil.

I think the Indians will buy american though.

January 10, 2010 at 12:36 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2421964

mrmalaya
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so, capabilities of SPECTRA aside (and Rafale must be able to do something better than any other aircraft, otherwise it would be very hard to export it…)

I am reading this discussion as follows:

There have been other exercises in the past two years (just as badly reported and just as hard to draw anything from) and this result more than overturns them.

It strikes me then, that something unusual was going on in this exercise to allow the Rafale (which is a very good aircraft) to destroy the competition.

Its not A2A against a legacy airframe, its an overwhelming result out of the blue against the two aircraft which are rated as better or comparable to the Rafale.

Consequently I question the context of the result because it doesn’t fit with what you might expect.

Or is it the case that the F3 Rafale is practically what the the US would term a 5th generation system?

January 9, 2010 at 9:22 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2422287

mrmalaya
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Thanks Jackonicko,

thats exactly what i was after. I have read the bit about the context of the exercises and understand this particular event was very heavy on the training but i think its very odd for the Rafale group to be so vocal about an obvious selection of the results (despite what the rest of the defence industry might think).

Is it just that they are so keen to sell to india and brasil that they will paint such a one sided picture i wonder.

Scorpion82- is that 4 typhoon v 4 rafale? if so that is a massive demonstration of rafales a2a capability, which is more than anyone would reasonably have expected wouldn’t you say?

January 9, 2010 at 9:14 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2422300

mrmalaya
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i might have misunderstood but the bulk of the chat on these forums is based on conjecture.:(

I understand that it was a training session but this didn’t stop Rafale fans from making out that their jet is the only aircraft in the world capable of wiping the floor with the F22 and that Typhoon was an embarassment to the RAF.

What i was asking was whether there were any facts available on what happened , or is it all conjecture?

But batting me off with “its just a training exercise” implies that Typhoon having its face rubbed in the sand by Rafale (if that happened) is just one of those things.

With all of the billion dollar defence contracts out there, I would have thought how these jets perform against each other was supremely relevent and unless we invent a war to test equipment in, these exercises are all we have to go on.

I was wondering if there was anything sensible to come out of the fuss before xmas that was all!
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