Submarine Commander ‘Misread Chart’
I don’t know much about submarine operations but is the fact that the sub was struggling to reach 18 knots a bit worrying. i thought the Swifture should be capable of 25-30knots+?
Given the evidence in court, as listed in the article, the ship was suffering mechanical difficulties.
Captain Stuart Crozier, prosecuting, told the hearing that the submarine had been suffering from technical problems, causing it to lose speed, at the time of the incident in May 2008.
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By forcing it to try and evade sonar and the helicopters, they force it to generate more noise, allowing the pursuer to determine the nation operating the sub, and in many cases, the exact sub they are chasing.
If it is a conventional sub, they can hold it down until it runs out of both battery charge and air, forcing it to surface.
If it is a nuclear sub, then that sort of narrows it down to five navies, making identification somewhat easier.
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Hawkdriver, we get what you mean, it’s just you are arguing that you ‘know’ something that is subject to a lot of external factors between now and the ships entering service.
You have made your thoughts, opinions and views on this subject very well known to everyone on this thread, perhaps it’s time to let the matter rest.
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Sorry for some thread necromancy, but as my DDL is now almost finished (needs detailing for things like guardrails, flight deck netting and such) I thought I would post some images as requested by Mr Worsley.




A couple of addendums. Based on the plans that the RAN had, there was no way that a Wessex was ever going to fit on these ships. The drawings had a stylised Lynx on the back and the hangars were sized for Lynx.
There is no way they could have operated the Sea Sprite, and the Seahawk is a tight fit.
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I remember seeing that episode.
What the excerpt doesn’t show is a comment made immediately after it concludes, to the effect that that pilot did not have a bolter for the rest of the cruise.
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Gentlemen, The noted Col. Grisha Medved is, to the best of the knowledge of the Australian Defence Community, a fiction.
One dreamed up by the people at Air Power Australia to provide some level of ‘authenticity’ to their claims.
The supposed tortured English syntax used is the English that someone who does not speak Russian believes would be used by a Russian speaking English.
Ask yourselves how a pair of amateurs in Australia somehow managed to obtain a source who can both speak so authoritatively on the subject and also support absolutely every point that APA is trying to make AND provide them with a level of intelligence and insider info that the West has, to this point, supposedly been unable to obtain?
Sorry guys, if you believe the good Colonel exists, I have a Kremlin I want to sell you.
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Which is precisely why the RAN is evaluating CEA-FAR for future deployment across the fleet.
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C – D – A 🙂
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Vote here is for
B. Most logical, role specification worked for the Type 42 / Type 22, so it should here.
A. While I wouldn’t use exactly those words I do believe the capability is there to build to that size.
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For me I prefer to go with something real rather than be saddled with either an orphan or development costs.
Sign me up for
1. G
2. B
3. D
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SELECTION OF SONAR SYSTEM FOR THE AIR WARFARE DESTROYER PROJECT
The Minister for Defence, the Hon. Joel Fitzgibbon MP has congratulated the Air Warfare Destroyer (AWD) Alliance in achieving an important milestone in the AWD project with the selection of Ultra Electronics as the preferred supplier of the sonar system for the AWDs.
“I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Ultra Electronics for being selected to supply this key capability for Australia’s future AWDs,” Mr Fitzgibbon said.
Following a rigorous tender process, Mr Fitzgibbon was advised by the CEO of the Defence Materiel Organisation (DMO), Dr Stephen Gumley and the Chief of the Capability Development Group, Vice Admiral Matt Tripovich, that the selection of Ultra Electronics will ensure the AWDs are equipped with a sonar system that provides excellent anti-submarine and torpedo defence capability.
“The selection of the sonar system is a key milestone for the AWD Alliance and represents the first of a series of important equipment selections the team will make in the next few months,” Mr Fitzgibbon said.
“I also note Ultra Electronics has committed to undertake more than 50 per cent of its AWD sonar systems work in Australia, which represents a great result for Australian Industry.”
The AWD Alliance will shortly be issuing Requests for Tender to selected companies for work on the ships’ hull blocks, as well as work on other elements of the ships’ combat systems.
As one of the largest and most complex defence acquisition programs currently underway in Australia, Mr Fitzgibbon said the Government was closely monitoring the progress of the AWD project and the AWD Alliance.
The AWD Alliance includes DMO, Raytheon Australia and the Australian Submarine Corporation.
AUSTRALIA AND MALAYSIA PARTICIPATE IN COMBINED MARITIME EXERCISE
The Royal Australian Navy has today commenced Mastex, a combined maritime warfare exercise with the Royal Malaysian Navy in waters north of Darwin.
Taking part in the week long exercise are Adelaide Class Frigate HMAS Melbourne with an embarked Seahawk helicopter and Armidale Class Patrol Boat HMAS Maryborough, alongside Royal Malaysian Navy ship KD Jebat with a Super Lynx helicopter.
The Royal Australian Air Force will support the exercise with Hawks from 79 Squadron and one P-3 Orion from 92 Wing.
PEL-AIR Aviation Australia will participate, providing realistic maritime strike and air combat support * towing air targets for anti air warfare.
The Mastex exercise aims to progress interoperability in areas common to both Navies and will be comprised of a wide range of security and warfare exercises and evolutions. Scheduled exercises include; Air Firings against towed targets, officer of the watch manoeuvres, boarding exercises and air warfare serials.
The Commander Australian Patrol Boat Group, Captain Vaughan Rixon, CSC, ADC, RAN said at the opening ceremony on Saturday, “This iteration of Mastex will build on the exercises’ past successes, and provides a vital opportunity for the Navies of Australia and Malaysia to work together to improve our combined maritime warfare procedures and tactics.”
“The exercise once again reaffirms the strong ties between the Royal Australian Navy and Royal Malaysian Navy,” he said.
Hmmm,
I would vote for A only, as I have previously selected other Mk-41 LS compatible weaponry and the others are not compatible.
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Naval high command public self gratification.
I.e Admirals wanking.
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My choice is
1. B
2. C
As you can upgrade from one to the other as suggested, and continue to make use of the current RN logistics setup.
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