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  • in reply to: Anzac Class vs Adelaide Class? #2057773
    Unicorn
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    Hi Unicorn,

    Thanks a lot for the images.

    Probably one of the model ships in the images is this one here at http://www.defencemodels.com.au/Projects/Arunta.asp. Although the model has two Mk74/SPG-51 fire-control radars, it seems its target indication radar is not TRS-3D/32, whose antenna is box-like.

    Cheers,
    Sunho

    Indeed it is, Arunta belongs to a friend of mine, who built it in the mid-90s.

    The other, Aegis-equipped Anzac was built to the specs provided by Tenix by another friend of mine.

    Here is another design which never made it off the drawing board except in model form (built by yet another friend of mine).

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Spainish Design wins AWD and Amphibious Ship Contract! #2057779
    Unicorn
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    Higher speed costs a fortune, the USN is discovering that with the LM2500 powered LPD.

    Nice drawing Mconrads, although I wish it was the AWD you were drawing. 🙁

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Anzac Class vs Adelaide Class? #2058015
    Unicorn
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    Sorry, my goof.

    Try these.

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Navy news from around the world, news & discussion #2058128
    Unicorn
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    Russia has 19 warships at sea currently – admiral

    ST. PETERSBURG, June 23 (RIA Novosti) – Russia currently has 19 active-duty surface ships and submarines at sea, the Russian Navy commander said Saturday.

    Admiral Vladimir Masorin, who was addressing the graduates of Russia’s leading naval academy, was the first navy chief in recent Russia’s history to disclose in public the exact number of Russian warships on active duty.

    The admiral also said that the Russian Navy works on a new class of destroyers, adding that “relevant organizations will start designing a new destroyer in the coming years.”

    Masorin was appointed Commander of the Russian Navy in September 2005 by a presidential decree replacing former Commander Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov.

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070623/67705764.html

    http://warships.ru/Russia/Fighting_Ships/Destroyer/pr.956_(02).jpg

    That’s pretty tragic. It makes the Royal Navy look rather good by comparison.

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Anzac Class vs Adelaide Class? #2058132
    Unicorn
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    Here ’tis

    Unicorn

    PS. Datafuser, if you are going to link to a site, please choose one that isn’t password protected, thanks.

    in reply to: Anzac Class vs Adelaide Class? #2058227
    Unicorn
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    Sigh, this comes down to a number of issues that most people that only think of weapon mounts and size never seem to deem worthy of study.

    The ANZAC frigate program was designed to deliver a lower cost, lower capability vessel to replace the Destroyer Escorts such as Parramatta and Swan.

    These ship’s capability was quite outmoded, and the replacement vessels would deliver increased capabilities over the DEs.

    The contenders were the Dutch M class and the German Meko 200. The Meko 200 was selected for a number of reasons, including cost, commonality with a number of operators, reduced crewing requirement, much greater operational range and the capability to take a number of increases in sensors and weapons over the life of the vessel.

    The concept at the time was that the RAN would operate three tiers of vessel, Tier 1 was the DDGs and the FFG’s equipped with an area SAM systema (and 3D radars in the case of the DDGs) and capable of operating in high threat operations in conjunction with allied forces, Tier 3 was the Fremantle class patrol boats, capable of maintaining the integrity of Australia’s EEZ and working with South Pacific navies.

    This left Tier 2, which was designed to provide a lesser level of capability than Tier 1, but be capable of upgrading over time to allow it to integrate into forces led by Tier 1 vessels in a high threat environment. The notorious ‘Fitted For But Not With’ concept.

    The Meko 200 was selected and construction commenced on 8 ships for the RAN and 2 (planned to be 3 or 4) for the RNZN.

    These vessels were duly delivered on time and at cost, an acheivement somewhat rare in naval shipbuilding (I am no fan of Tenix but they did acheive what was set out in the contract) and quite noteworthy.

    The Anzacs are fitted with 1 x 127mm gun, ESSM, ASW torpedo tubes, Nulka and other passive countermeasures, are being fitted with 8 x Harpoon and operate with the S70-B-2 variant of the Sea Hawk.

    The RNZN ships differ in having a single Phalanx instead of the Nulka, no Harpoon and operate Sea Sprite heicopters.

    If the decision had been taken to series produce FFG’s rather than introduce the Meko 200 Anzac ship, the RAN would have had to find a lot more money, or accept that they could only have afforded 6 FFGs rather than 8 Anzac ships.

    In addition they would have to have found some 60 additional personnel for each FFG, over the complement of the Anzac, so that is an additional 480 sea going personnel across eight FFGs. The RAN has enough trouble recruiting personnel now, let alone another almost 500 billets.

    The Anzac hull has proven more capable in the Great Southern Ocean than the finer FFG hull, with each FFG that deployed down there having suffered damage, ranging from minor to major, which has not affected the Anzacs to anywhere near the same extent.

    All in all, while the Anzac ships are not as effective as the FFG’s in high threat environments, they have provided the RAN with an increase in capability over the preceeding vessels and were a cost effective way to maintain fleet numbers in a period of financial constraints.

    As for the modification of the FFG by swapping around the weaponry, one of the proposals saw the Mk13 launcher replaced by a 127mm gun, the 76mm mount replaced by a Tactical length Mk41 VLS launcher with 24 cells and the insertion of the 8 cell self defence length ahead of the 127mm gun in the bow. It required a reworking of some of the internals but was do-able.

    This was scuppered and the much more limited upgrade proposed by ADI / Thales was implemented on only part of the FFG fleet due to the degradation suffered by the early members of the class (Adelaide and Canberra in particular) and the limited life left in Sydney and Darwin (all have been hard worked and were not designed as long-life warships by the USN, rather as limited capability ocean escorts).

    Thus the limited upgrades only being implemented on Sydney and Darwin (to get the most out of their remaining life) and on the Australian-built ships, Melbourne and Newcastle.

    Simply looking at shipbuilders brochures and stating “X is better than Y” is a simplistic measure of measurement, you have to analyse the role of the vessels, the political and economic situation extant at the time, the constraints under which the navy in question is operating, and the operational circumstances in which the vessels will operate.

    The Anzac frigate program delivered 10 ships on time and on budget, and the vessels have undertaken all that has been asked of them by their operating navies, two results that many classes of warships cannot claim.

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Greece to Pakistan frigates? #2058315
    Unicorn
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    I don’t object to the discussion, only the location.

    Unicorn

    Unicorn
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    There is a premium in costs for building it in Australia, mostly because the capability has to created pretty much from scratch (again) and the skilled trademen necessary for the job are also in high demand from the resource industry, which is experiencing a boom, thanks to demand for natural resources.

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Greece to Pakistan frigates? #2058409
    Unicorn
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    Gents, would it be too much to ask to take this **** to the PLAN thread, and return this thread to its orginal topic?

    That was Greek frigates being sold to Pakistan, not you two having a technical knowledge pissing contest!

    Thank you.

    Unicorn

    Unicorn
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    Mate, we are not acquiring enough Super Hornets for both 1 and 6 Squadron, there will be enough for a single squadron, probably 1 Sqdn.

    As for continuing with 6 Squadron as an OCU, you are far more likely to see 2 OCU become the OCU for both Super Hornets and F35s, thereby saving both manpower and resources. Besides, if you think all 2 OCU does is provide conversion training in 2 seat birds you need to get up to Willo and talk to the people there.

    The RAAF will not reactivate a bomber / MPA squadron for fghter operations, the fighter mafia there is too strong.

    As for 78 Squadron? Why would the RAAF resurrect a WW2 squadron when we already have a group of fighter squadrons with illustrious histories.

    Unicorn

    Unicorn
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    Another good question is- Will the RAN get the planes or will the RAAF. Current law and operational status places all combat fixed wing ops under RAAF control, this was one reason we sold off our Skyhawks back in 83, The RAAF felt we didn’t have a need for those aircraft since we had the more powerfull F-111’s and the Mirage with the Hornets coming soon, these planes were deemed excessive to needs. A similar story with the S-2 Tracker fleet.

    They will be flown by the RAAF, Navy has neither the people, money nor the inclination to recreate the fixed-wing Fleet Air Arm from scratch.

    The question is which squadron will become the F-35B squadron.

    Currently we have 1 & 6 flying Pigs, 3, 75 & 77 flying Hornet, with 76 and 79 flying Hawk. 76 and 79 will stay with Hawk, despite their long and illustrious fighter history, leaving 5 fast jet squadrons to occupy four F35 squadron positions.

    My guess is that 6 will go, probably to operate the Superhornet as a transitional squadron, leaving 1, 3, 75 & 77 as JSF operators with 2OCU to continue as the advanced training and tactical develoipment unit.

    If I had to make a call, I would suggest that 77 wil get the guernsey as the F35B squadron, mostly because they are the air to mud specialist Hornet operators.

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Spainish Design wins AWD and Amphibious Ship Contract! #2058601
    Unicorn
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    One good decision, one bad decision.

    🙂 🙁

    The G&C design was the better choice, but Navy got rolled by the Defence bureacrats over this one. They chose the supposed low risk option over the greater capability option. Typical public sector mentality, covering their arses first, doing their jobs a long way second.

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Brazilian Navy air defence???? #2058765
    Unicorn
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    Yet, my dear old friend………….What type of aircraft could fly from its decks???

    Surplus AV8s until the F35 comes on stream.

    Unicorn

    in reply to: Indian Air Defence Ship #2059062
    Unicorn
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    Indigenous Air Craft Carrier – Air Defence Ship – To Be Launched By October 2010: Cochin Shipyards

    The country’s first indigenous manufactured Air Defence Ship (ADS) will be launched by October, 2010, as per the Phase I contract signed by its manufacturer Cochin Shipyard Ltd (CSL) with the Defence Ministry.

    A media release does not reality make.

    I cannot see it being launched in three years.

    I may be wrong, but it seems unlikely.

    Unicorn

    Unicorn
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    That’s of no use if he gets a 9mm in the back of the head.

    Unicorn

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