Great thread. Looking forward for more.

Agreed, an interesting exercise.

Unicorn

Single choice for me:

a. Mono hull.

Navies are conservative with good reason, they have to live with bad choices of ‘cutting edge design’ for up to four decades.

The mono-hull is tried and tested and a substantial portion of your surface fleet is going to be reliant on the result. Not the time to get all radical..

Unicorn

A layered defence system, to whit;

C. RAM for the long range point defence;

E. BAE/Bofors Mk 110 57mm with programmable Mk 295 ammunition with its longer range; and

G. Phalanx 20mm as last ditch defence

Unicorn

Yes, and its full of “this happened bt would not have if you had bought our aircraft” spin.

I am sure that similar stuff could have been put out by the makers of the F15, F16, Rafale, Eurofighter, Gripen, etc.

Its called a sales pitch, and should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt.

For example, in the commercial field, Boeing tried to sell Qantas the 777-300ER to do the London – Sydney route, the holy grail of routes for Qantas.

Sounded wonderful, until Qantas subjected the data to rigorous analysis.

Yes the 773ER could do Heathrow- Kingsford Smith non-stop, with a three class configuration to reduce the pax load and no baggage and with almost no fuel reserves for diverts, in short completely uneconomically.

It could not do the trip back, as the prevailing winds prevented it. It would have had to refuel at Singapore, Bankok, Dubai or Mumbai, and thus was no improvement over current aircraft in service.

So there is a world of difference between what the manufacturer says, and what actual reality is.

Don’t mistake the two.

Unicorn

Don’t forget that as the Gorshkov will have a unique powerplant (and most other systems as well) every spare part will have to be made for her.

No ordering parts off the shelf, that shelf is bare.

Every part will be unique and a manufacturing process will have to be put in place for every part that needs to be replaced.

I sure as hell hope that the IN is getting production drawings of every part on that ship, because trial and error on something as complex as the steam turbine blades for example will be a very, very expensive exercise.

Unicorn

Guys, it appears that this thread seems to have two groups here.

Those of us living in the real world, and the small but vocal group inhabiting a parallel universe where the Gorshkov deal was a good one, negotiated in good faith and subject to innocent mistakes that led to a small price increase, but which will deliver a wonderful ship, the pride of Russian engineering and which will form the centrepiece of the Indian Navy for decades to come, confounding all the critics.

Lets leave Dionis, RPG, Star49 and the rest of the delusional mob who told us what a great deal this was back when it was announced (most of whom apparently don’t post here any more, I wonder why?) to their fantasies, and we can discuss the matter somewhere else in a more rational, sane and non-delusional manner.

That lot don’t want to admit the deals faults, in their world “everything is fine, get that pesky reality out of our happy, happy world”.

Unicorn

America became a new LHA-6.

Navy Names New Amphibious Assault Ship

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (NNS) — The Navy’s newest class of large-deck amphibious assault ship, LHA 6, will bear the name USS America, Secretary of the Navy Donald C. Winter announced June 27, while speaking at the USS America Carrier Veterans Association reunion in Jacksonville, Fla.

Thats sad, a major come down to have the national namesake carried by an amphibious ship.

You would have thought that America and United States would have been ‘no brainers’ as my American colleagues would put it, for allocation to aircraft carriers.

Instead we will have to settle for the USS George W Bush and the William J Clinton?

What next? The USS Barrack Obama?

Unicorn

Announcements are cheap, actual ship construction is not.

Russia can announce all the programs it wants, most of them are populist fantasies for local consumption, which no serious analyst gives any credence to.

Its actual ships under construction and commissioned that count, and on that score Russia is hopelessly outbuilt by both China and the United States.

Unicorn