Source of the BS news, please?

BS= Bull Sh!*

MMRCA will soon turn the Artillery way.Wait and see.

Your patriotism or nationalism is commendable,but not appreciatable when selecting a fighter for the tomorrow needs.
That MRCA which IAF needs to replace those againg MIGs went down the river few years back.This MMRCA for which the trials have been taking place are to bumb the force strength and to plug that hole of ever going down numbers.
Many in MOD and IAF formally accepted the 62 number required to comfortably counter a chino-pak dual at any point of time.
And if people think that Gripen will have a place in IAF, then definitely they are day dreaming along with those calling a tejas-MKII as a part of MMRCA candidate from HAL.
What IAF needs here is a true multi-role capable of taking those nuclear bombing roles from Mirages.My recent quote of MRCA costing $30-40 billion says it all,like what exactly IAF is looking for in the 6 contenders.
All your posts are simply biased towards a hypothetical Tejas-MKII which is yet to fly.If ALL IZZZ WELLL ,then MKII will fly in 2013-2014 for the first time and will take couple of years to get certification,then will be inducted into forces.
It like having some 3 years as a no-induction period if no MRCA is there.There will be no way IAF inducting 400 Tejas instead of 200 MMRCA.And Tejas-MKII will neither be as fully capable as a Rafale or Typhoon.
What Tejas-MKII to the IAF is,strictly a MIG-21 replacement of 21st century,while MMRCA is a force level maintaining ploy.
Call it a rumor or just propaganda,but facts were always truth behind the curtain.

Tejas-MKII still has enough space to occupy even after MMRCA was inducted.IAF is increasing its number of fighter deployed and operational bases which includes the ones on sina and pak borders.
IAF cant simply depend on either MKII or MMRCA,it needs both.And this justification is also supported by the fact that GOI sanctioned continuing developments of AMCA,Arjun-MKII and Akash-MKII another desi version of QRSAM(reviwing of Trishul SAM),Astra-MKII,…….
Tejas-MKII infact will act as a testing platform of 5th gen technologies that were suppossed to go into AMCA.But MKII can never be a MMRCA substitution though you shout standing infront of parliament.

Geeezz……. why people are so concerned about $30-40 billion spending on 200 MRCA jets over a period of 7 years?

MRCA is a must to achieve the desired squadron strength along with MKI and Tejas.

And if one really thinks that India can buy 126 jets for the said $10-12 billion, then they definitely are living in a fools paradise .Aint it?

Has anyone got any lists of major successes by DRDO that have met either the budget or time lines or even both?

As many…….

Except the highly politiced Arjun and Trishul.
Firstof all before jumping on to list those sucesses,lets describe what a SUCESS mean to DRDO.

For DRDO a SUCESS is a sucess in implementing a project with the alloted budget and minimal time frame,given all the infra was provided.Else the timeframe to get hands on infrastrcture has to be substracted from the total timeframe of the project.
Take it as granted or not,LCA was a great achievement and sucess for India.
Same with Akash,though rolled out late it was a great sucess considering the numbers on order.
And almost all Radar projects and EW systems were a major sucess.
Samyukta,LRTR,Swordfish,Revathi,Bharani,Rajendra,3D-CAR,Ajanta-Elora EW system,……
Almost all naval weapons and systems were of a great sucess due to the improved involvement of navy
Light weight torpedo,training torpedo,HW thermal torpedo,USHUS Sonar,HUMSA Sonar,CAIO (Computer Aided Action Information Organization) aka Aegis counterpart of India,……..

Apart from these many strategic systems like Prithvi,Agni,Dhanush,Sagarika were of a great sucess.
And most interesting development is the BMD.which is running way ahead of schedule of 15 years for Phase-I.FSED put into force in 2002,the project achieved many mile stones and great interceptions.This mightbe the one and only bit ticket project of DRDO that is running ahead of schedule.

This is actually funny…. Iran is never going to launch an offensive first and where does that nukes come from??

What we can see and what many stupid Indians cannot see is the double-standards of Isreal and West. Iran issue has nothing to do with an Islamic nation getting nukes. But it has to do with containing Iran from becoming an even powerful regional power and the West getting hold of wast Iranian oil & gas. If the issue was to stop of Islamic nation from getting nukes, Israel shud have used its enormous power in the US to stop Pakistan from getting the Nukes. But they did not, b’coz ….

The FACT is – Israel can live with an Islamic & unstable Pakistan with Nukes, becase Pakistan is not a threat to Israel which is doubly gauranteed by US & the West that Pakistani nukes are meant just for India! :p

Where as if at all Iran gets nuke capablity, the situation in the mid-east will become a STALEMATE as Israel will not be able to launch & win wars against the Arab military OR do occational military campaigns in the Palestanian areas, b’coz their blackmail of Nuke-attack (like they employed in past major wars) would be nullified! And thats the major reason why Israel cannot afford to see Iran getting any N-capablity. Arguments that Iran will blow-out Israel once they get N-capablity is rather stupid as Iranians are not stupid enough to endanger their own existance.

Now, why is that India is so worried about Iranian N-capablity???….. should India & Indians actually worry when we have got good old Pakistan by our side?? ….. I’d say definetely not. Iran is not a Threat to India! But when will our decision makers who are bankrolled by dollars understand this….

There is a lot India can gain from Iran —
1) Oil & Gas
2) Strategic basing in East Iran – a direct access to Balochistan & Afghanistan
(i just can find a good reason why the stupids even went for a base in central asia…..probably map-reading went thoroughly wrong?!:dev2:)

India does have more gains from Iran.Indo-Iranian relation ship was more of an economical and strategic(no mil exchanges). India needs Iranian oil and gas,and its ports to move indian goods to CAR.while Iran needs indian goods.
currently the trade to Iran happens through UAE and other arabian republics.
Iran cant be simply left out of Indian foreign policy.who cares what US and west thinks about iran.Every country has thier own national interests,India is not a US pimp to wagg its tail when US says so.

If 350 is what the final number conceived, then the force levels were bumped up to 62 to tackle a dual front war.
In that case
350 MKI goes to makeup 18 squads,while the new number for MRCA makesup 10 squads
10 LCA Squads,12 PAKFA squads,12 AMCA squads while the rest Jaguars,MIGs,Mirages, being retired by the time of AMCA induction in a timely manner.
this makes up to 18+10+10+12+12= 62 squads

This 62 number used to be a mythical untill a dual front doctrine was framed.Now that MOD is serious about the possibility of dual front,the number seems highly realistic.This also proves the fact with the increase in number of MMRCA(200) and MKI(350? )

but IAF still projects itself as a ZOO with fighters from 4.5 gen light ones to 5th gen heaviest ones. LCA,MKI,MMRCA,FGFA,AMCA.while IN become a small ZOO with LCA,MIG-29K,FGFA :O

A small statement in the media can put MMRCA in the back burner for atleast a decade. Thats nothing but “MOD received bribes from some MMRCA contenders” period.

And MMRCA will be history……lol

Already UPA gov is taking shots in the parliament for many reasons. Sashi tarror, IPL,price rise,phone taping,…… And if some crazy boy spreads this and files a silly pitition in the supreme court, thats it. Case closed 😛

Firstly, PAD/AAD will meet timelines, given the successful tests conducted so far. Even if it doesn’t, there is no need to press “panic buttons” and start importing Aegis, PAC-3 etc, because if there is a co-ordination and co-operation between the DRDO and end-user, such situations will not arise in the first place. It may be hoped that lessons have been learnt vis-a-vis the Arjun.

PAD/AAD can be modified for the Navy (the more “indigenous friendly” of the 3 forces). As per a presentation made by Dr. VK Saraswat, the AAD can be modified into an anti-cruise missile weapon, which would ostensibly require significant effort. Thus, the effort to modify it to be fired off naval vessels can be relatively easier.

Aegis is a system consisting of guns, rockets as well as ABMs. The ABM component is actually the SM-3 missile. The modified PAD/AAD can easily serve this purpose. Given the relatively better track record of the Navy in co-ordinating with DRDO, this project can be executed.

Currently, the Barak-1 on board some of our destroyers can handle the C-803 anti-ship cruise missile, fired off Pakistani coasts. And China is many years away from developing anti-ship ballistic missiles, which Adm. Sureesh Mehta said is not a threat.. By the time it does, an indigenous version of SM-3 can be developed. Thus, Aegis is not needed by the Navy at all.

Besides, systems like Aegis’ SM-3 are used by a coastal strip like Japan to nullify ballistic threats to the mainland from anywhere in the sea (should the ship happen to be in the “path” of, say, a N. Korean Taepedong). Besides, the US Navy would use it to target satellites in low-earth orbit, should the ship happen to detect one and be in position in anywhere in any ocean, to target it.

So, please think : Is what is fine for Japan coastal defence and US anti-Sat operaions necessarily good for India ? This explains why we should not blindly purchase anything doled out by western companies, and instead see it’s operational use first, and see whether an indigenous alternative exists.

Arey, it is not “fortunately for me”, but “fortunately” for you also, if you don’t wish to see your tax rupees being spent in duplicative efforts, that are very expensive, and if you don’t wish to see your armed forces jawan tied up to a contract document with messrs Raytheon Inc.

The above is accurate, and must be explained to the ill-informed media, and Samsara alike.

I think you may find this relevant.

Simultaneously, DRDO scientists have started work on phase-II solutions. It requires radars of longer range and new hypersonic interceptor missiles flying at Mach 6 with agility and the capability to discriminate against ballistic missile defence counter measures. “Our effort is to have interception at very high altitudes, and the entire system will be able to handle multiple, simultaneous attacks,” he said.

A crucial requirement for the second phase is a floating test-range — a complete launch station from which interceptors will be fired. Scientists have started designing the ship and associated systems such as radar, mission control centre, launch control centre, communication network and many other equipment needed for phase-II trials.

The ‘capability-based deployment,’ under which a system would be put to use, as it got perfected, had paid rich dividends for some countries, Dr. Saraswat said. The entire work on the two phases was planned to be completed by 2016.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/article261220.ece?css=print