chandraguptaI really do not understand the fuzz about the PAF F 16s all of a sudden. It was long known they were going to be delivered.
Indian F 16s if bought will be superior and Lockheed has an India office not a Pakistan one, its clear where their priorities lie.
Office in India doesnt matter when the same config F-16I will be donated to pakistan free of cost in the later date.
While we buying those things with our hard earned money,PAF will be simply getting them by begging.
chandraguptaI think the NG is supposed to be given it’s own trials run at a later date, given the current Gripen model was sent in it’s place as the NG demonstrator was ‘busy’ in Sweden, so it will be interesting to see if the other offerers will also be given a 2nd chance to send their cold/high modification prototypes… (if they make such modifications)
There will be no second chance in this already belated game.
Gripen virtually lost the compitetion by not sending the desired aircraft for the trails.
Remember when eurocopter heli contract got rejected for sending a civilian version of the same to the trails.There were some morons sitting in the bureacracy and ministry that ping things like this.
F-16 was already out of the game.If LM boys are sending their A/C means just to burn some cash for a no show.
Mig-35 was out.India is not in a mood to buy it.And Russia does know about it,hence the option exercising for Mig-29 for IN.
Finally left in the fray were F-18,Rafael and Typhoon.
Unless US gets its nuclear spent fuel processing agreement done before the choosing of the jet, F-18 will F out of the game.
The final ball will be between Eurofighter and Rafael.But though rafael makes it to the end,it will loose.(it showed its colors during the Mirage upgrade deal.IAF dont want to go thrgh the crap again in future)
The final winner is Typhoon.But still a 50:50 chance against F-18.Its all regarding the spent fuel processing and tightening strings around ISI and PAK Army.
chandraguptaWell, according to this:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1551917&postcount=432
4 out 5 aircraft had failed the trial. This was prior to the testing of the Gripen. So the Gripen was clearly one of the aircraft that passed. I was going to suggest that the Super Hornet then also likely passed, as they had the same engine, then realized that the Gripen sent was the Gripen D which has the 404, not the 414 in the SH. In addition, there were a number of ways in which an aircraft could have failed- i.e. unable to start (fuel system doesn’t like the cold), inability to climb adequately in such a rarefied atmosphere, etc… So, it could have been any of the other 5 that have passed.
Gripen did finished its LEH trials.
chandraguptaX posting from BRF
Four MMRCA Contenders Fail Leh Trials!
It’s the latest tidbit on India’s $12-billion Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition that’s doing the rounds (and it was first reported by The Hindu on Tuesday). Four of the six contenders that underwent cold-weather evaluation trials at Leh didn’t meet performance requirements. OK, major understatement. Four of the contenders bit dust in Leh. Read that again: four aircraft. That’s huge. It’s still unclear which part of the Leh test the four aircraft types failed at, though it is quite clear that it was either the switch off/on after landing, or the take-off with meaningful combat load at that altitude. The only thing that appears true is that four aircraft failed the trial — it is totally anyone’s guess which these are. Any want to hazard a try?
chandragupta2 AWACs will not permit decent coverage of 2 fronts. Even 3 can only (just!) permit 24 hour coverageof one front…
Another deal for 3 more was signed with 3 more as option ,bringing total Phalcon to 6 +3(optional).While DRDO developed AWACS will be inducted in numbers starting 2013.
chandraguptaCmon Guys….. we better stop comparing pak armed forces to that of India`s.
PAk has never won any war against india so far ,even getting support from west and china and some middle east countries.while India ventured lonely with getting word support from Russia.
Even in the next 1000 years, pak will never ever win a war again india unless it want to hit on a less concentrated or no security border and run like china.
OTOH,A nationalist leader in the Indian PM chair will be a time bomb clicking count down for pak.As far as we have these bakka jammen tuglaqs ,fellow pakistanis can sleep well while keep thinking all is well.
chandraguptaLet us face it. If India wants t get Pakistan it will go through the middle and not where China and Pakistan meet. Certainly an highway which is extremely difficult to get and at very high altitude with treacherous weather will be impossible task. Aircraft need to fly high or through dangerous routes through mountains. It will certainly limit there payload and range, if they are not detected. And what if it gets a bridge. It will get it fixed cause it will be an important line. Would India accept dual front or pressure from China this time?
The Indians searching for intelligent anti tank weapons shows that they are trying to avoid tank battles in the desert (cause they do not have same numbers of night capable tanks, or same quality) and move towards indirect fighting. Which to my knowledge is difficult cause by that you will not get control on the ground and there are ways to counter the weapons. Besides that it gives away the launch sites/aircraft which will be targetted by weapons like H2/H4/Ra’ad/Babur (all inhouse produced). And I do not think the latest Pakistani tanks can be beaten by these weapons so easily. If launched from the air I do think that with around 50 MLU, 18 block 52 (which are certainly not inferior), 100-300 JF17 and FC20 there will be enough to stop it. Tanks might be used without cover in the past but I do think that HIGHMARK is showing that it will be a different world.
dont make this as yet another mine is bigger than your contest.
By the time PAF achieves its above bolded objective,IAF will be having 270 MKI,126-200 MRCA, atleast 50 FGFA(single seat) 200 LCA,50 Mirage,60+ Mig-29,…..
There is no way PAF is going to bring IAF down.IAF already has its quality and quantitative advantage over PAF. If you call on your second grade AWACS(SAAB) ? IAF will be fielding 9 Phalcons by then and a significant number of home made AWACS(comparable or even better than SAAB ones)
Should I tell you one thing how the future of warefare between India-pak will go?
Initially it will revolve around technology (high intentisy of weapons use instead of boots on the ground).Pak being a mere 400km wide county will have to submit to the superiority of India in many ways.
Since many maniacs in Pak strategic forces command are threatning with pressing of red button,India will be solely concentrating in nutralisation of pakistani nukes.And you may how?
It is very simple with the conceived multi tier air and missile defence.Even the present LRTR has a tracking and detection range of over 600km+ which is times more than enough to track each and every BM launch.And not yet talking about the sword fish radar which is going to have > 1500km tracking and detection range. Should I say couple of such radars with handfull of batteries of PAD and PDV with ranges of over 150(altitude >80km) and 300+km(altitude >200km) are good enough to kill every single BM during their boost phase itself? while making pak a fireball with no indian nuke used to complete the objective.
And the Aerostat radars and over 15 AWACS scanning every inch of pak territory while flying safe on our territory will warn every single cruise missile thrusting towards india with a mere <.8Mach speed will be queued to air defence systems like Maitri,Akash,LRSAM,AAD,PDV,….
Hence the so called Red button will be nuetralised with much less effort.Because India can manufacture atleast 5 defending missiles for each pakistani BM/CM.
Now see how we shoot down your so called AWACS with our AWACS killers and LRAAM. with KS-172(300-400km range) IAF will conviniently shoot down high value targets like your AWACS and refuellers and nuke carrying fighters/bombers. this is not including other long range AAM`s queued with AWACS and other fighter radars.With network centricity reaching its maturity PAF will see its birds hitting ground like sparrows while IAF fighters convinently flying in our airspace. May be I shouldnt bring the stealth aircraft here,since it will be a over kill.
Your airbases,command and control centers,bomb depots,fuel depots will be pray for Brahmos I/II with no air defence to counter it.And not to mention the use of tactical BMs like Prithvi and CM`s like Nirbhay(to be operational by 2013 in the worst case scenario)
does pakistan has any known air defence/missile defence system in place? apart from cheap chinese toys? You need some one to donate them.
Do we really need boots on the ground when objectives can be achieved with missiles and missile defences?
Lol…….
chandraguptaIsro launches ATV-D01 new generation rocket
Nellore, march 3: The Isro scientists have successfully conducted the first developmental flight of an advanced technology vehicle (ATV-D01) at 8.30 am from the sounding rocket launch complex of Satish Dhawan Space Centre (SDSC) Shar on Wednesday.
According to Shar officials, ATV is a new generation high performance sounding rocket, the biggest and heaviest sounding one that ISRO has developed till date.
ATV-D01 will be followed by flights of active scramjet engine testing, ramjet engine testing and finally with dual mode ramjet module testing in the Mac no. range 3 to 10, during this year.
The performance of today’s flight was normal as predicted, and all the objectives were successfully achieved, Shar PRO, Mr C. Ravindranath, claimed in a communique on Wednesday.
Mr V. Seshagiri Rao, deputy director, range operations was the test operations director of today’s flight. Mr K. Subhas, deputy director, VAST supervised the integration of the rocket and launch pad operations.
Mr P. Ratnakar Rao is the project director for the ATV project, at Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre, Mr P.S. Veeraraghavan, director, VSSC, Mr S. Ramakrishnan, director, projects, VSSC, Mr M.C. Dathan, director, SDSC Shar, and Dr M.Y.S. Prasad, associate director, SDSC Shar, participated in the launch.
And the same from ISRO press release with few pics
chandraguptaShourya is not a ballistic missile.It neither does have an RV. It has an integrated warhead instead of an RV/MIRV.
Shourya cruises all way along at an average of Mach 6 at an altitude of 30-40km.
1000 kg payload for 750km range
For a 200kt TN warhead, the range will exceed 1500km.( its the concept behind the missile for time being against china and for overall deterrence against pakistan)
Shourya highly posses a possibility of being converted into an AShM considering the future chinese aircraft carriers.
Hence for a lethal 500Kg HE penetration warheads it can reach over 1000km .
Next 4 stealth destroyers are supposed to be quipped with Brahmos-II and shourya(for both land/ship strike role) along with a possible variant of PDV(ABM)
It is just that DRDO is providing various options to the forces to enhance thier survivability and lethality.
P.S: Altitude at while Shourya continuously cruises(30-40km) gives its radar seeker good LOS on high seas to track ships during the terminal phase.
chandraguptawhat you don’t like sarcasm in reply to sarcasm ? 😀
anyway, my point was against your comment that ‘against china brahmos will be an irritant at best’ IMHO is quite a naive assessment or that there are no targets in brahmos’ range, which again, is laughable. how the heck is *any* army supposed to fight a war without sending its ground units ?
surely the PLA is not all 1ultra long range missiles and robot drones that it can conduct an entire war against India without coming into physical proximity or is it ?
used properly, and I mentioned the possible targets, the brahmos can be very useful.
it is a costly PGM and will be used as such by IA and IAF.
Brahmos is a psychological weapon of choice in consideration of PLA.
All you need is an ample number of batteries and will sufficient reloads,there were as many targets awaiting on the other side of border.A squadron of Brahmos supported by a medium range mobile AD and a small division of infantry is going to be a pain in the ass of PLA.
chandraguptaBut still no foreign partner was found to make the fighter carrier capable, right? N-LCA and LCA Trainer looks similar, but the airframe structure should be different.
My question wasn’t regarded other carrier fighters, but if IN gets N-LCA in time for our new carriers? Kind of strange, the Migs have to wait for the carrier and the carrier later for N-LCA.Yes, because the LCA is said to be the base for later MCA development, so be it radar, or engine, it is related to MCA too and what is the use of a stealthy airframe without a capable engine and radar?
That’s the point, but it makes more sense to search for a partner from the beginning, instead to wait till the development gone wrong and then try to find a partner.Why do you see only little increases? IMO only the Gripen NG and offers a little performance increase, compared to a possible LCA MK2, all other fighters should offer clearly more. The Gripen might be cost-effective if you compare it with the other contenders, but compared to LCA MK2 it won’t be worth nearly twice the cost.
Should I relieve your from all your tensions related to kaveri and future of AMCA?
Recently EADS and L&T concluded a JV.
Even though EADS got a share of 26% according to FDI,It will still bring in some critical technologies into Indian market.Once that JV is concluded,IAF dont necessarily have to worry about the engine for Tejas and AMCA.
This JV will bring in a good competition with the state owned industries and R&D establishments.
L&T is already a known contributor to Indian forces and its services and invaluable.
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