If this is going to be “a price shoot out”, can Boeing shoot lower than Lockheed? The T-50 is in service; development costs have been paid. The Boeing/SAAB proposal needs a large amount of money spent on development and testing.
It’s impossible to say, but we need to remember that the planes is only one part of the offer. There is lot’s of new developments on the T-50 as well for the electronics and the simulation system which is kind of tricky and swallows more money than one would think. Also Boeing is de-risking the plane itself pretty hard with the testing program.
We’ll just have to wait and see I suppose.
And does Iraq currently need *any* of those types?
If you’re primarily concerned with loitering and dropping PGMs in permssive air environment, as Iraq will be for the next decade, a special-missions Gulfstream will do it all more cheaply and probably better. And with more ISAR kit onboard, plus a toilet and oven.
Hyper-expensive-per-hour fighters poddling around subsonic on account of big tanks and draggy munitions and having to bug-out of the fight due to fuel levels? Not sure I see the attraction.
I think Iraq’s mistake was wanting to be back in the fast-jet club.
This.
Seems like the best idea for both Turkey and the UK is for the Royal Air Force to join the program as a full partner and get an eventual Typhoon-replacment.
Unusually fast speed for a low level half roll- was it a FBW failure for this Gripen??
That really isn’t anything for us to speculate about. Just wait for the professional investigation.
the Lockheed T-50 variant and the Leonardo certainly seem the most low risk and perhaps the cheapest option
This project is what one could call low risk. On top of this both Northrop and Boeing is presenting low risk solutions that they both produce flying prototypes for to de-risk even further.
The Leonardo one is already out because of it’s origin and the T-50 isn’t really that well suited for the T-X.
how is Gripen going to survive when EU will be imposing strict European solutions for defense and that will include funding cuts to countries that donot support EU defence industries.
Yeah, good luck with that!
True but LM has already said it would give the world market to an Indian company manufacturing F-16 for IAF.
And this shows pretty much what LM thinks of future export orders for the F-16.
Also I don’t think the Indians will focus to much on the ability to export the future aircraft, they have so much internal stuff to deal with as it is already and for the foreseeable future.
The german tornado-replacement effort will likely end up the first european 5th/6th generation fighter. Likely several of the other countries behind the Typhoon will end up being a partner in the project as well. Not doing it will silly end the european knowledge about making fighters, something that will simply not happen.
Both France and Sweden will also make new fighters, probably not alone though. But the german is likely to be the first.
Why isn’t Saab pushing for the sale of some of the older Gripen C/Ds in SwAF service as well? Don’t they also have a large number of Gripen A/Bs in storage as strategic reserve? Those could conceivably be upgraded to the latest C/D standard and would be a very viable solution for the next 20 years.
It’s really not a cheap solution. The A/B airframes don’t have a lot of hours on them and although lot’s of parts is reused in the conversion there is still a whole lot of new components. The fuselage for an example is brad new.
The rebuild is cheaper than a brad new C/D, build I still don’t think it is a cheap solution compared to say used F-16’s that has a few hours on them.
Also Saab don’t own the planes in reserve, so the decision is not entirely up to them.
This is surprising to me; are they still considering Gripen without British components!?
This is most likely just brainstorming from their side.
Saab have seen no official contact from the Argentines, it is just Embraer. I really doubt Saab would approve the sale without british components without british consent. After all Britain is a very close friend to Sweden.
Maybe it is a better idea to sell the Gripen C to India instead of cannibalizing them.
As I said earlier, the plans will not be cannibalized. The components in question will be removed carefully and the planes can still be resold later.
Please, the current MoD has his head deep up the asses of union members from PZL Mielec and PZL Swidnik. All bullcrap talk about offset and so is just bullcrap. Everyone who have followed the situation knew this deal would be dumped by the new government for their internal gains.
Decision expected this year so potential customers for Gripen C is in a bit of hurry! (Thailand, Slovakia, Botswana & M’sia)
There is no reason to worry if you are a potential customer. There are very few components from the A/C that will be used for the Gripen E (less than 100). An example is the pitot tube and the catapult chair.
The Gripen A and C won’t be cannibalized, the components in question will be removed carefully. The A-planes can still be rebuilt into C-planes and sold afterwards.
When you build a C-plane from an A-plane lot’s of components are being re-used. If the swedish government decides to take the components from the stored A-planes for themselves to the E-planes then it just means that those components removed will have to be bought new for a rebuild from A to C.
In previous cases where A-planes have been rebuilt to C-planes and then exported the customer still had to pay for these components, the A-planes belong to the swedish air force. Now it just means that 100 less components can be taken to the C-build and will have to be bought new instead.
On the other hand, the Gripen, besides having US content inside, is in a league under, more comparable to the Tejas, and I doubt that India will introduce a competitor to its own aircraft, unless they plan to cancel the whole Tejas project.
I think you are looking on it the wrong way. Focus less on how Gripen compares to the Tejas and focus more on that India wants to have several different fighter assembly lines.