nice shiny ship.

I agree with what you wrote but I still think RAM (or some SAM / Anti-missile system) is important in modern day combat. If one of these new ships had a couple of North Korean Silkworm missiles locked on it I bet the Captain would disagree with you and would want a SEA RAM system available to him. I know I would.

This class of ship is built for the purpose of engaging most gun armed NK patrol crafts which is typical involving in protecting NK’s fishing fleet. If a missile armed FAC is detected, I doubt a gun only patrol boat will be send by SK.

Looks like its based on the Novik

It’s kind of interesting that they seemed to have copied everything that they liked from the Russians. The only concept they haven’t copied is kashtan, but PLAN was said to not be too impressed by it.

Not exactly true…:cool:

Photos have surfaced recently of a gun/missile CIWS that looks suspiciously like the Palma 😀

To clear this up once and for all:

http://www.dephan.go.id/ranahan/artikel/artikel130406b.htm

Electronic translation:

The RI MINISTER OF DEFENCE received Rene BERKVENS – RI Defence Minister, Juwono Sudarsono, on Thursday morning (13/4), received Of Royal Schelde CEO , EVP Of The Damen the Shift Yard Group The Netherlands, Rene Berkvens, in the Dephan Office, Jakarta. This meeting discussed about the Schelde Shipyard in the Netherlands that built the Corvette Ship. In receiving his guest, the RI Minister Of Defence was accompanied by the Special Staff the Minister Of Defence the economic Field, Masda TNI Tumiyo, the Director General Strahan Dephan, MajGen TNI Dadi Susanto, the Director General Renhan Dephan, the Rear Admiral TNI Yuwendi, and Karo the Secretariat General’s public relations Dephan, the TNI Air Commodore of Abdul Azis Manaf, SE. (RHT)

The RI minister of defence:

The Corvette ship Sigma That was ready
Expected to have been armed

On April 13 2006

Jakarta, DMC – RI Defence Minister, Juwono Sudarsono, hoped the Sigma Corvette Ship made by the Shipyard of Schelde Netherlands to TNI Al that was ready, also to be supplemented with weapons. The Sigma component of weapons of the Corvette Ship will be imported from Italia and France.

“Senjata him has been remained at his ammunition, because that was related to the additional cost that must be counted on kembali,” clear RI Defence Minister, Juwono Sudarsono, on Thursday (13/4), after received Of Royal Schelde CEO , EVP Of The Damen the Shift Yard Group The Netherlands, Rene Berkvens, in the Dephan Office, Jakarta. This meeting discussed about the Schelde Shipyard in the Netherlands that built the Corvette Ship.

According to the Minister Of Defence, the Corvette Ship Sigma-1 was ready and will be sent to Indonesia in July 2007, and Sigma-2 following two months afterwards, whereas the Corvette Ship Sigma-3 and 4 will be finished his production in Schelde Netherlands in the year 2008-2009.

In the development Sigma-3 and 4 in the Netherlands, Indonesia will send four experts from PT. PAL to visit to the Schelde Shipyard this coming May. After that, just was arranged by the possibility in stages the following Corvette after Sigma-3 and 4 were built in Indonesia. “Hal that definitely really depended on operational readiness and the infrastructure that was owned by PT. PAL that at this time really has gone up in the development field of trade ships, but not yet many for war patrol boats and to polisi,” clear the Minister Of Defence.

According to the Minister Of Defence, in the meeting with The CEO The shipyard of Schelde Netherlands, also was discussed concerning the co-operation with PT. PAL, took the form of the further program in the form of the National Corvette. But, that definitely also depended on bargaining on the country’s other shipyard, like Germany and Italia. Eventually, the Dutch shipyard, Germany and Italia that offered the co-operation will be asked to introduce the National proposal of the program of the Corvette co-operation with PT. PAL.

The director general Renhan Dephan, the Rear Admiral TNI Yuwendi with the Director General Ranahan Dephan, Pieter L.D. Wattimena will select the appropriateness of offers that were put forward in accordance with the price, the specification and the quality. “Dari these offers will be chosen by some or the combination of to two countries to develop the Corvette program Nasional,” so clear the Minister Of Defence. (DAS/RHT)

What is the survival rate against modern manpads?

Not good but then again, any platform (fixed or helo) performing COIN operations against targets armed with modern MANPADS faces the same risks.

Probably the more cost effective options would be Super Tucanos. Simple, easy to operate does not tax much on the infrastructure. Uses many of the existing weapons on their MD500s.

Simple.

Pressure. Knowing that a competitor has a better product often forces the other party to lower the price or provide offsets. It’s better than a straight buy.