They have a very ambitious program
happening these days to increase the total number of their subs
and these two are part of that plan.

But, can anyone say for certain that this might
not indeed be a yard from outside of Asia? And, what class would
this be regardless of its Asian or otherwise origin?

Anyone brave enough to tackle this one???

I am brave enough to take this challenge! 😎

The Magic 9 Ball tells me… that you are looking at a couple of Ming Class SSKs under construction, being passed off as Song SSK! Beware the cheap tricks! :p

Would be yet another export breakthrough for Russia. Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam and now Thailand.

Yes, I agree the Indonesians are just one notch below the Islamist Pakistan and the Middle East in terroist traits, so I can imagine what happened to the East Timorian population – not a pretty thought.

The real motive was oil, otherwise if it was for humanitarian concerns you have to wonder where the equal Aussie concern for their own Aborigines went.

Nah dah, dude.
Off topic,
1) Oil and minerals are recent finds on both Papua and Timor and was neither a factor during their respective invasions by Indonesia. Pure terrtorial land grab by Sukarno and later Suharto in the name of Indonesian nation blah blah blah.

2) Indonesia being islamic funder is a joke. It has a large islamic population but it HAS been fighting islamic terrorism since the independence (Darul Islam).

The goverment, had until recently been a secular dictatorship and is currently a secular democracy. Islamic terrorism is viewed by the past dictactorship (much like Pakistan at the moment) and the present democracy as a threat to their power. Having said that, they have been unable to get a grip on solving the problem and that is the concern for everyone around these parts.

Don’t mistake the Indon government incompetence in dealing with the threat as being actively supportive.

As for Indo-Aus relationship, it is too complicated to discuss. Let’s just say there are much historical baggage on both sides which both should let go.
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Anyway back to topic, stand off weapons shouldnt be a big deal. I wouldnt be surpise if the Singapore fighter purchase would come together with a standoff weapon package. Many people also forget that Vietnam had purchased a quantity of SCUD Cs from North Korea afew years ago.. Selective memory.

Is it really that difficult to design a conventional warhead for the Sampson? For example, couldn’t the Sampson take the warhead and guidance unit from the Klub? Or how about the other way round? Seems like a waste to rebuild a brand new missile since most of the component seems to be the same cept the range and accuracy.

why was the Sampson withdrawn anyway? No conventional warhead for them?

ACIG’s Sudan article have been updated with photos of the deliveries taken from Russian TV news. It shows the planes being loaded on a AN-124. Doesn’t look new to me.

You are right in all points. Radars have a higher range that IR sensors. But I was thinking in the line of something like the Sirius system which is a constantly rotating IR sensor.
But most of the time, IR sensors are cued by radars and not the other way round and multi-guidance systems are increasingly a must have.

btw, a little selling here. CDF have put up my article on PLA-N radars and EW. Have a look. I will put up the corrections in the forum. (which already have one)