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  • in reply to: Defending Mother Russia #2426473
    planeman_
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    Thanks for all the feedback and corrections. Totally forgot AEW because rushed to get it out as already ha e next project in pipeline.

    I don’t think I have the energy to correct anything just yet though.

    in reply to: Defending Mother Russia #2426882
    planeman_
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    Flanker
    Generally analogous to the F-15A/C Eagle, the Flanker is a heavyweight air-superiority fighter. First introduced in the 1980s the Flanker was only in service in rather modest numbers at the fall of the USSR, and many of them ended up in former USSR air forces, particularly Ukraine. Despite this, the Flanker became the backbone of the Russian Air Force and is seen by many as something of a design marvel.

    Sukhoi developed a number of versions, now separated as Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35. The Su-27 is essentially an air-combat only version and the mainstay of the Russian Air Force’s Flanker fleet. The Su-30 an improved longer ranged air defence version with additionally improved strike capabilities, and lastly the Su-35 with generally upgraded capabilities across the board.

    Although Russia operates a small number of Su-30s, it has left the long-ranged air defence niche to the MiG-31. The Su-30 is an evolution of the Su-27 family principally with greater endurance and a two-man crew to help cope with long range air defence missions. The aircraft’s air-ground capabilities were also improved although this is less of a factor for Russian Air Force.

    The Flanker family has been a significant export success and for the first time since WW2, export variants are of equal or superior combat capability than those in operation with Russia’s own air force. Whilst Sukhoi was wowing air show crowds and foreign defence officials with its canard equipped 3-D thrust vectoring versions, the Russian Air Force did not purchase these enhanced versions. Consequently, although upgraded, the backbone of the Flanker fleet remains basic Su-27 versions.

    http://i49.tinypic.com/2mra9ua.jpg
    Russia has ordered a relatively small number (48) of Su-35BM fighters to enter service over the next few years. In terms of combat capability, this is essentially an avionics improvement, with the Su-35BM, like the regular Su-27s in service, lacking the canards and thrust-vectoring many spectators expected.

    http://i50.tinypic.com/21jppgx.jpg

    The Flankers are deployed to offer the primary means of air-superiority covering the whole Western border adjacent to NATO-dominated Europe, and also in the Far East supplementing the Foxhounds covering technologically advanced and well equipped Japan and South Korea. No Flankers are normally deployed within range of Alaskan air space, which is guarded by USAF F-22s.

    Foxhound
    Although based on the famous MiG-25 Foxbat interceptor, the Foxhound is closer in role to the older subsonic Tu-28 Fiddler and Yak-28 Firebar heavy fighters it replaced in the long-range intercept and patrol role. Like those aircraft, it is massive, and although suited to long endurance and high speed stand-off intercept, it is correspondingly weak at close range combat. In Western parlance it could be seen as the land-based equivalent to the Gruman F-14 Tomcat, or a much larger Tornado F3.

    http://i47.tinypic.com/263xbhk.jpg

    The original weapons fit for the Foxhound was 4 AA-9 AMOS active radar homing missiles (similar to US Phoenix, maximum range an impressive 160km) under the fuselage and two IR guided AA-6 Acrid missiles inherited from the Foxbat (maximum range 50km) on the inner wing stations. The Foxhound can also carry twin AA-8 Aphid short ranged missiles on the inner wing pylons in place of the Acrid. Because the Acrid and Aphid are generally obsolete, some of the Foxhound fleet have been modernized to carry AA-11 Archer IR guided missile and AA-12 Adder medium range radar guided missiles, greatly increasing potency. Acrid is still deployed operationally on the Foxhound fleet however. The Foxhound can also carry outer wing pylons but these are rarely seen.

    In current Russian Air Force service Foxhounds are concentrated at just six air bases.

    http://i47.tinypic.com/2e2m3hd.jpg

    The outer rings are 1200km from the bases an represent to typical combat radius without in-flight refueling. The inner rings represent the approximate combat radius for a quick-reaction supersonic intercept at around Mach 2.3.

    http://i49.tinypic.com/2gwz2oy.jpg

    Fulcrum
    Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the MiG-29 Fulcrum fleet has been the most neglected of the three fighter types retained in service, clearly not favored by the Russian Air Force compared to the Flanker. The Foxhound too received funds for modernization and maintenance before the ailing Fulcrum fleet which consequently suffered a series of accidents and was grounded for part of the last few years. Finally funds for some degree of modernization materialized and some MiG-29s have been upgraded, and a limited number of more capable MiG-29SMTs have been inducted into service. The MiG-29SMT deal is actually controversial as 28 of Russia’s SMTs were originally destined for the Algerian Air Force who rejected the airframes on quality issues and rescinded the contract. Total upgrades to SMT standard in Russian Air Force are estimated at between 150 and 178 depending on whether the Algerian aircraft add to the original planned number or not. As of early 2010 about 40 SMTs seems realistic.

    http://i48.tinypic.com/15qdqhj.jpg

    The Fulcrum is deployed principle in the Central-eastern and Southern-European areas, with just one base in the Far East facing China. The relatively short operational radius of the jet is a key factor in its usefulness following the collapse of the Soviet Union, with a war in Central Europe now unlikely. The SMT model has significantly better range but still no comparison to the Flanker and Foxhound. Fulcrum is not deployed to the key strategic areas of the Kola Peninsula (extreme north-west of Russia adjacent to Norway/Finland and a key naval area) or Vladivostok in the Far East. In both cases Flankers and Foxhounds are based there.

    http://i50.tinypic.com/i2r2ub.jpg

    Air Defence black hole?
    When the practical engagement envelopes of all operational SAM and Fighter bases are plotted together, there remains a massive portion of Siberia with no viable coverage:

    http://i45.tinypic.com/14v66n4.jpg
    There are some hardened airstrips in Siberia which fighters could be forward deployed to eliminate this gap but there does not appear to be any history of routine deployment in this manner and the air strips/air ports in question have limited military infrastructure.

    The situation remains similar when known long-range air surveillance radars are plotted:

    http://i41.tinypic.com/212hfyd.jpg

    in reply to: Libyan shooting down of F-111F in 1986 raid #2427661
    planeman_
    Participant

    thanks guys

    in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2427718
    planeman_
    Participant

    awesome analysis everyone. It is, generally speaking, similar size to F-22 then

    in reply to: Libyan shooting down of F-111F in 1986 raid #2428039
    planeman_
    Participant

    I knew we lost one but I’ve never heard it was shot down.

    So what did you here?

    in reply to: Russian air defence gap? #2430296
    planeman_
    Participant

    Thanks for the discussion guys, this has been veryuseful!

    Planeman,

    Nice job (again!). Now if we could compare this to the russian GBAD/SAM coverage, that would make a more complete picture. I believe SOC had done something to that effect. For all you know, where there are fighter coverage gaps, you may have S-300 types crawling all over the place.

    USS>

    Well of course that’s exactly what I’m doing :):):)

    I just found it odd that there were no RuAF fighter bases up north covering, at the minimum, the area opposite NW Alaska. So I pre-posted before the Bluffer’s Guide to confirm I’m not missing some obvious bases and this is THE forum to ask that question.

    Even with SAMs factored in there’s still a huge gap, but you’ll have to wait and see 😉

    As for worth defending, what’s the stand-off launch range for B-52/B-1/B-2s? If less than say 80% the quick-reaction intercept range of the fighter bases then that makes sense, but if not….

    in reply to: Russian air defence gap? #2430318
    planeman_
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    Planeman, thanx for the map. Could you please show a legend, what the different colors and symbols mean?

    The largest gap, a large portion of the north coast. Detecting enemy aircraft (Americans) would be easiest while over the ocean, not the low level attacker over land. Evidently, intelligence indicates the threat from the USA is low. The coverage of Japan and western Europe to me seems a bit much considering the tight budget. I can understand the coverage of their southern border with China.

    Reds are Foxhound, blue is Flanker and purple is Fulcrum. The Google Earth placemark file will be made available in an upcoming ‘bluffer’s guide’

    in reply to: Russian air defence gap? #2430319
    planeman_
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    Plus, there’s literally nothing in that open space that isn’t covered by air power.

    Sorry, I’m confused. I think that, unless the Russian’s use IRF or redeploy fighters to more remote air strips, there absolutely is nothing covering that open space (save a few patches of SAMs)

    And since only the US would have the capability to go in THAT way, it would be pointless to actually station fighters there.

    Isn’t that exactly who they are supposed to be defending against? US has bases in Alaska, adjacent to the NE gap shown.

    This deployment pattern is largely inherited from the Soviet era, so it seems it always was like this.

    in reply to: NATO Reporting Names? #2430444
    planeman_
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    thanks

    I think they should start giving reporting names to Iranian aircraft, they generally have names english speakers have difficulty saying or remembering.

    Suggestions:

    Azarakhsh = Footle
    http://i41.tinypic.com/j7gkr8.jpg

    Saeqeh = Fagin
    http://i43.tinypic.com/20g1ojp.jpg

    Tazarv = Muppet
    http://i41.tinypic.com/27yn1vp.jpg

    Safagh = Fantasy
    http://i40.tinypic.com/jp7syb.jpg

    in reply to: Falklands War 2010 #2431469
    planeman_
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    So, as long as Angola and Indonesia don’t pool resources, the RAF dominance of the Southern Hemisphere should be ok. SHornets? So what?

    in reply to: Falklands War 2010 #2431520
    planeman_
    Participant

    Your Hornets better than Su-30s? In what respect?

    in reply to: Falklands War 2010 #2431525
    planeman_
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    Is it correct to say that even though they are very limited in numbers that the Typhoons are currently the most capable fighters in the Southern hemisphere ?

    Indonesia has some Su-30s. Venezuela’s Su-30s are at least 70km from the Southern Hemisphere and Angola has Su-27s :diablo:

    in reply to: 4.99 generation fighter #2431810
    planeman_
    Participant

    Maybe a larger twin EJ2000 version of this baby?
    http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/stealth4f.files/BAe_Replica.jpg

    4 Meteor, 2 ASRAAM, 1 Mauser

    in reply to: The PAK-FA saga Episode 12.0 #2432014
    planeman_
    Participant

    On request – YF-23A added.

    Nice pics but not sure that PAK-FA is as wide as that

    in reply to: Difference between Agility and Maneuverability? #2432226
    planeman_
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    Well, since everyone else is giving their opinion, I’ll contribute my two cents. The difference between agility and maneuverability is solely based on definitions and nothing else, as they can both be used to describe the same qualities.
    I’ll also contribute some thoughts on handling ability of aircraft. If we compare two aircraft with differing wing planforms but everything else equal, say a mirage 2000 and an early f-16, we can say a few things about the large delta wing. The spanwise lift decreases very rapidly with increasing span as result of the high taper ratio, this decreases the inertial moment with increasing span ( the same effect that causes an ice-skater’s rotation to speed up when their arms are drawn in, or their mass is brought closer to the CoG ) and rolling becomes much easier. The roll rate is important because it is the first part of a turn as the aircraft banks and then “climbs” into the turn. The large delta wing gives a large turning force and can even be aided by control surfaces at extremities ( canard foreplanes ).
    While it’s in the turn, however, the large delta wing, being at a positive angle of incidence to the direction of travel, will act like a large airbrake and scrub off SEP and slow down the aircraft much more than a smaller swept wing.
    The conclusions we can draw then ( generalising ), are that, everything else being equal, a delta will snap into a turn quicker due to its higher roll rate and larger control surfaces but if it has equivalent SEP, will not be able to sustain the rate of turn.
    Further summary, large delta gives high instantaneous turn rate, or nose pointability to get its guns or missiles locked on an enemy, while smaller swept wings or extremely high SEP, give a high sustained turn rate with which it can avoid an enemy gun or break a missile lock.
    These are all generalizations, of course, and there are many exceptions to these simple rules, but they are an indication of the trade-offs and optimisations that go into designing an aircraft to a specific requirement.

    v.informative and easy to digest. Thanks

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