i was just answering this

Originally Posted by jackjack View Post
you’re ducking, weaving and just generally waffling on modes, its been clearly stated

glitter said
So, is it a stealthy way to say that you were wrong ?

the rest isnt worth the effort, especially when you cant even follow your own posts

sorry i wasnt clear enough, i meant, the flyaway price will be around 1/2 the price of the f-35b, but the lifetime cost including everything will be about the same at a guess or less if LM is right
then you add more capability and survivability of the f-35b which makes it a bargan

You may be right in that they supply the final, assembled SPECTRA system. However, Thales USA likely sources many parts from other subcontractors as well- could be from France, USA, the UK, etc… They could actually do nothing at all other than assembly/integration for all we know. It may be possible as well that Thales moved the SPECTRA development team to the US at some point after they were privatized, but if French export controls and security clearance regulations are anything like those of the US, then most of SPECTRA’s development would still have to be done by French nationals. It could be somewhere in between. Thales USA may do integration, test, and some development, but the highly classified stuff isn’t done outside of France. Like you said, we don’t know. We’re just speculating really.

yep it could be that, its as good of a theory as any other and makes sense, there are no holes it it

The post #912 was an answer to two posters but not to me.

I suppose you understand the difference between:
– same modes from PESA to AESA
and
– doesn’t have the mode UAE want
aren’t you ?

LEt’s say Thales US did a huge work on spectra, so what ? As long as it belong to Thales and fully available to export 🙂

What is the “integration” of the AESA to the backend ? My god, according to YOU, there was nothing to do about such integration.

you’re ducking, weaving and just generally waffling on modes, its been clearly stated

re spectra, i agree, multi-national companies are just that and it doesnt mater where its built
i just find the flag waving independence funny because it matters if usa puts an embargo on france, there will be no supply of usa origin or tech, not only on spectra, but several usa companies in that list for the rafale
thales usa cant export if usa gov say no
if we broaden it out to all of france’s defense equipment that is usa reliant, it makes quite a list

why dont you look up my link here or google it, there is a partnership with a swede company, if you cant accept this, so be it
you have to join the aesa modules in a frame and put wires on them to plug into the rbe2
again your spinning for the sake of it, its getting boring

Well, airframer.com does list Thales North America as the supplier of spectra.
http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=Dassault_Rafale
You know- I’m not really sure how that works under US export controls. I’m open to data to suggest otherwise, or at least to suggest that there is more to the story than this. France is very protective of Spectra and many of its capabilities are considered secret. So I’m really confused at this point as to how that works if the system is indeed designed or manufactured in the US… Maybe a Rafale expert can comment?

As for the swedish AESA backend integration, I believe he is referring to the the use of Thales TRM’s on the prototype Gripen AESA radar, which he perhaps misinterpreted as the Rafale radar?

Good point. No reason to get all up in arms over an aircraft that I neither designed nor fly. This is a site for aviation enthusiasts, but they’re just aircraft- It is a hobby not a religion. 😀

it all depends is the answer, thales usa is its own self and just profits go back
thales usa is firewalled from all the other thales and visa versa in a lot of tech
thales australia is the same and our research defense department may give our tech to them to develop, but what ever work is done for us is confidental
if a bigwig from another thales comes over, eg france or who ever, he gets the public tour and doesnt have access to whats going on

no the swedes are doing the wirering and hardware that connects the aesa antenna modules to the rbe2 backend

my opinion and guesses about AC, it really is a dream, it works in low frequency on subs and only to attenuate a spike they cant get any other way, it doesnt do the whole platform, it doesnt work in high frequency eg fighter radar, MBDA is working on AC for missiles for low freq early warning radar that emit a constant single freq, if it hops it cant do it

Erkokite
no need to apologise, it takes the fun out of the banter and i take nothing personal
its ok, i made a mistake on how many planes will be made

Spectra is quite French, my friend. We’ve been over this. The RBE2 AESA is French. I can’t speak for the OSF, but I’m fairly certain that is also French. I believe you have some inaccurate information or have misinterpreted something you have read.

If you have links, please post them, and I’ll gladly point out why you are wrong. But you have to promise me that you will stop making absurd statements like “Spectra is American.”

Look, I know you think that the USA is the only country of producing aerospace technology of any sort of sophistication, but please don’t be ridiculous.

you have a short memory, i gave you the link to thales usa and spectra