one thing that may be interesting with the L-Band radar russians present for teh Su-27 derivatives family is thath, while the precision isn’t all that great, you could use IR long range missiles.

Using the LF radar to get approximative position of your target, you could, theoretically, shoot your missiles, update their path en route and let the IR seeker do its job once the IR signature of the target becomes strong enough.

You don’t need pinpoint accuracy with your radar in such a case and with newer and more performant IR seekers, you may be able to lock on any aircraft even from front aspect (especially a supercruising one, which will have its nose and leading edges heated by friction of air at sustained supersonic speeds)

it comes down to who has the best counter-counter-counter-countermeasurre

Tactical Aircraft Directable Infrared Countermeasures (TADIRCM)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/tadircm.htm

It only makes sense when their country makes it. 😉
Hence the F 35 bashing by Brits and other Euros who may be getting it.

or maybe it will only make sense when their country makes ‘the best’ stealth :confused:

for some people. stealth will only make sense when their country has it

I am saying EXACTLY what this AdlA officer said you interpret the way you wish onlyone thing; do NOT involve ME into your thinking process to validate your conclusions, they are only yours to make.

As for the figures you are comparing to try to suggest they do not make sense, pitting a dedicated A2A IRST in detection range = vs figthers to a ground target optimised designation laser pod takes some going.

Your post doesn’t make sense or rather it does (as in trying to get this LtColonel comments down), before you can achieve this; i strongly suggest that yourself get your facts right. 😀

he has only said one very small part of the roe, about the mica missile, this doesnt give any idea to what the exercise or the relevant roe was and such can draw no conclusion

so is the damoclese 40k for the laser designator and not the IR, i would think the irst of democlese would be better than the irst of osf, but i could be wrong

Detection and ID are two different matters, the OSF IRST can detect a fighter-sized target at the (1999) declassified range of 130 km, it is not used at these ranges for ID and the camera offers the resolution to do this earlier than the IRST.

Degraded MICA performances level 1 (4/0) and two (3/1) for Rafale, if we do not know what the Typhoon ROE were we still canot claim Rafale had an advantage, reason why the 1/7 squadron pilots are so happy.

so you are saying you dont really know what the roe was for the exercise
so we have a typhoon slapping a f-22, a f-22 slapping a rafale and a rafale slapping a typhoon
roe load the outcome for training exercises

also, from your link, damoclese with a claimed range of 40km at 25,000ft. yet the supposed obsolete IR osf has a range of 130km
these numbers dont make sense to me, do they make sense to you ? its more likely to be the other way around

its a traing exercise, it all depends on the roe, there are no winners or loosers
example
from Cougar133 “Did you hear of the F-22 who got spanked by RAF Typhoons in the USA?”
yet rafale couldnt put a shot on the f-22 under the roe
yet the rafle slapped the typoon under the roe
do you see the obvious, they count for nothing, its a training exercise

thats what i heard, as well as the specs given to the gov, raaf pilots also flew the planes, i tried to google it, but nothing, the air 6000 was cut short when we decidded the f-35 was best for us
here is something not a lot know, usa offered us the f-22 at the time (and probably the UK) but we knocked it back on cost and our requirement
i did find that we also looked at the gripen
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRNews1/FRNews02/FR020203.htm
Air 6000 project. Australia issued the RFI last year, for technical information about the Gripen swing-role fighter to meet its national defense needs from 2012 and beyond. Gripen International has submitted technical information based on the supply of Gripen

So who wants to use the F35 as a countries primary air defender now?

australia for one and this is the first time we will use just one platform, we normally run 2