i think the title of that report said it all and reflects the political things that were happening
yet later it was stated that the SH has 3 times the capability of a hornet
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04900.pdf

dont you love PR dept that use guessed/made up data in self loaded sims and dact, so the phoon is still second to the f-22
if i remember right, the fa-18 killed f-22 that killed rafale that killed phoon that killed f-35, making the fa-18 the best plane in the world and the f-35 the worst

i agree, it has been available for years that the now engine maker offering 20% and another offering 30% has been declined by USN
if someone could make a case that the USA would put at risk the entire carrier operation for the sake of an engine upgrade, i’d like to see it
australia was also offered the engine upgrade and declined :confused:

no offense to some of the countries boeing and others want to export to, but cars and boats with big engines excite them, so why wouldnt aircraft

seems that with the hornet it was a strong point, as per the google link above

From an operational standpoint, the most critical need for superior acceleration is in the transonic range. The F/A-18 acceleration is superior to that of any chase aircraft available (F-4, F-14, F-15), from any subsonic airspeed to …

[i didnt open the google link to find out what the ‘to’ was]

My view has always been that the F15 is superior aerodynamically than the Super Hornet.

I wasn’t referring to max speed. Ability to retain energy or regain energy quickly is executed better on the F15 for sure.

However, with the new engine the SuperHornet Upgrade should be a better aircraft aerodynamically (within its speed envelope) than with the current engine.

sorry, i should have been clearer, i know you werent saying top speed
just a quick look and a link to what i googled and numerous hits
i think this may be the hornet, but its a start
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&tbo=1&tbs=bks%3A1&q=%22f-15%22+acceleration+time+transonic&btnG=Search
From an operational standpoint, the most critical need for superior acceleration is in the transonic range. The F/A-18 acceleration is superior to that of any chase aircraft available (F-4, F-14, F-15), from any subsonic airspeed to …

red6 has a good link on the SH here, f16 vs SH, [from the link above the f-16 also accelerates the f-15]
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-656-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-360.html

So I`m “often” wrong?? Sorry, but would you please point out the severel times I said something here and something else happened? :dev2:

I apologise to the other readers but I feel that for some unknown reason Mr Danell has decided to single me out of the crowd and has turned me into a target for his innuendo remarks…

Regards

Hammer

for what its worth, i have found your posts creditable and of value

did you read the posts or just jump in?
it was in reference to 1% of rafale, unless that sounds creditable to you ?
i think you have said the SH 0.5 that would mean the rafale is 0.005
why would anyone buy 5th gen when the rafale is better ?
ps, the refueling probe would be x times more than that

at this point of time there are 5 4gen planes with lowish rcs, 3 canards, late f-16 and the SH, in my opinion.
i dont think any has a significant tactical advantage rcs over the other that would matter, in mission load
i also say the SH has more LO feature that the others