read what i was replying to
BTW the french subs were a good idea for brazil
china/russia isnt a silly friendship either if they arent going to aline to usa/nato/pacific
a pak-fa deal perhaps

ls1 miata
you have said, except for the rafale to a few things, this isnt correct as most modern fighters and missiles can do these

Two F414’s allow for redundancy / survivability, and just happen to be less expensive than the F135/136. Sorry, I just don’t like single engined fighters:)

that was true years ago, now planes crash for other reasons, very few because of engine failure as a ratio

JackJack, above you meant to say “SWEDES”, not “SWISS”, right? 😉

Regards,

Hammer

LOL, i’m as aussie, all those nordic countries are the same to me
both brazil and australia could fit them all into one of our cattle farms/ranch/stations

The RNoAF evaluates SAAB figures and classified them as irrealistic. They found a flying cost of USD 10 thousand for the NG. The FAB found a lower cost for the NG, around USD 8 thousand, but SAAB could not supply COPAC with F414 operational costs, cause the engine is US Navy intellectual propriety. To establish a cost, FAB officers use half the value used at Boeing bid. There’s a problem in this methodology. NG engine will be a little different. It will have a 80% commonality with F/A-18E/F Super Hornet engines.

The costs for the other bidders are, according Brazilian Air Force, USD 10 thousand for the Boeing bidder and USD 12,400 for the Rafale. Is important notice that French bid flying hour price is EUR 9,800 and Euro devaluated 25% at last month. Now, they are very similar.

Cheers

Pepe

you hold yourself as a professional journalist and so you are held to a higher standard than us fanboys

the swiss couldnt supply the op costs of a f414 because of usn IP, but the usn fa-18 f414 op costs were given.
this doesnt make sense
what the swiss cant do is give the IP of the f414 for brazil to manufacture

also about the indian test, i heard it was simple to correct with fuel ratio or similar with all the craft

i await your clarification on the issues

you obviously didnt open the links, you can take a frog to water, but you cant make him drink

the f414 has already received its full production savings, anything thing from here would be minimal
but i would be happy to see your link saying a futher 40% reduction

JJ, you went to school?
Well if so, then you should have learned that if F414 has half the thrust of F135 and costs 1/3rd, then it’s more $/thrust effective. Period.

By whom?

Another thing you don’t get here, is that F414’s price doesn’t go UP, but is within normal FY market and inflation fluctuations.
F135’s price is hit by those same factors too, but it’s still way over it’s constant price, effect of which will be seen in less price decrease during the same period.

so are you still saying its over 3 times as dear ?

“by whom? “
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4643997